B. Estrade wrote:
> On 9/20/07, Petri Laihonen <pietu at weblizards.net> wrote:
>   
>> .... Currently I live here just because I just
>> happen to drift here and due to the convenient location to run my
>> business....
>>
>> When my baby gets to the age when he needs to go to school, there is very
>> high probability that my family is going to move out from here... or at
>> least to another region in this country. We'll see....
>>     
>
> ..so I am assuming your child was born here a US citizen?
>   
Will be born in 8 weeks, and naturally have a dual citizenship.   :-)
I have not gone with dual citizenship option as it would not serve me in 
any way.... Perhaps some day if the need arises.... With my Finnish 
passport, I have no worries to show it in anywhere, with US passport, 
one must be far more careful about where to show it.
>   
>> So where is the freedom when megacorporations like M$, oil- and car-industry
>> are dictating even the government about what to do? Welcome to the puppet
>> show....
>>     
>
> So if your business is enjoying considerable success at this point in
> time, are you going to simply pull the plug and move it to a less
> business friendly environment - which assuredly most other countries
> are when compared to the US.  I guess you'll have a clean conscience,
> not worry about big brother, and enjoy "free" internet.
>   
Actually I did refrain myself from explaining this part further in my 
previous post. I can run my business from anywhere with internet 
connectivity. The location here is good in timezone-wise. Most of my 
business is in central and south America. (And we do have an office in 
Mexico as well) We do the same stuff here in US, but the 
megacorporations such as wireless carriers are simply a pain in the ass. 
They want ridiculous percentage of our income here in US, whether or not 
they perform their part. (Very often they do not perform.) Addition to 
this, they impose more and more limitations (including the censorship) 
to us and to their subscribers. I have proposed to my business partners 
multiple times to pull the plug here in US just because it is more work 
than it is worth.... (they think the US connectivity as an asset, not a 
business opportunity....)  Carriers are limiting all the expansion here, 
so we started expanding to so called third-world countries, where 
wireless networks are better than here, and we are still expanding... 
Carriers also work with you in other countries. Not here..... There 
would be incredible business opportunities here without the carrier 
limitations and greediness.


> BTW, isn't this a "political" discussion list?  I'd love to engage in
> this, but I don't want to clog up the general list.
>   
Oops! I don't like politics! and apparently I have now fallen into 
it......   :-)   Yes, it is everywhere.....
Time to start actually working..... :-)

Petri

>   
>> Petri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Tim Fournet wrote:
>>  Wait a minute. At one point you say that blocking outbound SMTP
>> connections from home PCs does nothing to block SPAM, and then you say
>> that the majority of SPAM comes from home PCs on broadband connections
>> that are part of botnets (which use SMTP to send spam). Which is it?
>>
>> As for the rest of your spiel, it really doesn't make sense. The
>> internet isn't free, it costs money to run all those lines, keep those
>> servers running and cool, etc. Anyone who provides a service of hosting
>> email accounts for someone is doing it with the expectation of providing
>> some value to its users in return for some value to themselves. In the
>> case of Yahoo, MSN, etc, it's mostly about offering a free, reliable,
>> reasonably-spam-free, email account in return for brand loyalty and
>> maybe some advertising revenue. If users don't like it, there is nothing
>> at all stopping them from going to a domain registrar, registering their
>> own domain, and then going to an ISP and buying an account that allows
>> inbound SMTP; or going to a hosting provider and provisioning their own
>> mail server, or paying someone else to do above for them. If you think
>> there is censorship or collusion going on, you're wildly mistaken, and
>> perhaps excessively paranoid.
>>
>> willhill wrote:
>>
>>
>>  If those filters and port blocks did anything to block spam, I'd believe
>> you.
>> I can tell you that AOL and Hotmails spam filters are largely ineffective
>> because my wife uses one and my mom used to use the other until it became
>> unbearable. You and I both know that the vast majority of spam now comes
>> from botnets of home PCs on broadband connections and we also know that spam
>> outnumbers legitmate email even after filters.
>>
>> The real answer to the botnet problem is OS diversification. At least one in
>> four computers is part of a botnet. If ISPs really cared, they would not
>> still be promoting the monoculture.
>>
>> Net neutrality is ultimately an issue of political control. The ability to
>> filter the internet is the ability to filter opinion and it will be used
>> that
>> way. That's not the way the internet is supposed to work and technically
>> the filters are bottlenecks that throttle performance. The example blocking
>> is more than Hotmail and AOL. It's all of the domains controlled by
>> Microsoft, AOL and Yahoo and it reeks of government induced collusion. If
>> you want to know what a corporate controlled, government censored internet
>> will look like, turn on your TV. A free internet is cutting into that
>> censorship and control and that's the reason the FCC came out against
>> network
>> neutrality.
>>
>> TruthOut recommends dumping "free" email, but that won't get solve their
>> problem. If AOL, Microsoft and Yahoo all decide to filter TruthOut, they
>> will do it at all levels and it will work here just as well as it does in
>> China.
>>
>> On Thursday 20 September 2007 8:14 am, Tim Fournet wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  Also, SMTP servers blocking incoming mail from misconfigured servers,
>> and ISPs blocking incoming TCP/25 connections to home IP ranges have
>> nothing to do with each other, except for being two separate measures of
>> blocking SPAM.
>>
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