Yes, there is a political list. We are cool if we keep this on spam I think, but obviously this particular tangent strays too far. :)
-- Puryear Information Technology, LLC Baton Rouge, LA * 225-706-8414 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices Identity Management, LDAP, and Linux Integration B. Estrade wrote: > On 9/20/07, Petri Laihonen <pietu at weblizards.net> wrote: >> .... Currently I live here just because I just >> happen to drift here and due to the convenient location to run my >> business.... >> >> When my baby gets to the age when he needs to go to school, there is very >> high probability that my family is going to move out from here... or at >> least to another region in this country. We'll see.... > > ..so I am assuming your child was born here a US citizen? > >> So where is the freedom when megacorporations like M$, oil- and car-industry >> are dictating even the government about what to do? Welcome to the puppet >> show.... > > So if your business is enjoying considerable success at this point in > time, are you going to simply pull the plug and move it to a less > business friendly environment - which assuredly most other countries > are when compared to the US. I guess you'll have a clean conscience, > not worry about big brother, and enjoy "free" internet. > > BTW, isn't this a "political" discussion list? I'd love to engage in > this, but I don't want to clog up the general list. > >> >> Petri >> >> >> >> >> Tim Fournet wrote: >> Wait a minute. At one point you say that blocking outbound SMTP >> connections from home PCs does nothing to block SPAM, and then you say >> that the majority of SPAM comes from home PCs on broadband connections >> that are part of botnets (which use SMTP to send spam). Which is it? >> >> As for the rest of your spiel, it really doesn't make sense. The >> internet isn't free, it costs money to run all those lines, keep those >> servers running and cool, etc. Anyone who provides a service of hosting >> email accounts for someone is doing it with the expectation of providing >> some value to its users in return for some value to themselves. In the >> case of Yahoo, MSN, etc, it's mostly about offering a free, reliable, >> reasonably-spam-free, email account in return for brand loyalty and >> maybe some advertising revenue. If users don't like it, there is nothing >> at all stopping them from going to a domain registrar, registering their >> own domain, and then going to an ISP and buying an account that allows >> inbound SMTP; or going to a hosting provider and provisioning their own >> mail server, or paying someone else to do above for them. If you think >> there is censorship or collusion going on, you're wildly mistaken, and >> perhaps excessively paranoid. >> >> willhill wrote: >> >> >> If those filters and port blocks did anything to block spam, I'd believe >> you. >> I can tell you that AOL and Hotmails spam filters are largely ineffective >> because my wife uses one and my mom used to use the other until it became >> unbearable. You and I both know that the vast majority of spam now comes >> from botnets of home PCs on broadband connections and we also know that spam >> outnumbers legitmate email even after filters. >> >> The real answer to the botnet problem is OS diversification. At least one in >> four computers is part of a botnet. If ISPs really cared, they would not >> still be promoting the monoculture. >> >> Net neutrality is ultimately an issue of political control. The ability to >> filter the internet is the ability to filter opinion and it will be used >> that >> way. That's not the way the internet is supposed to work and technically >> the filters are bottlenecks that throttle performance. The example blocking >> is more than Hotmail and AOL. It's all of the domains controlled by >> Microsoft, AOL and Yahoo and it reeks of government induced collusion. If >> you want to know what a corporate controlled, government censored internet >> will look like, turn on your TV. A free internet is cutting into that >> censorship and control and that's the reason the FCC came out against >> network >> neutrality. >> >> TruthOut recommends dumping "free" email, but that won't get solve their >> problem. If AOL, Microsoft and Yahoo all decide to filter TruthOut, they >> will do it at all levels and it will work here just as well as it does in >> China. >> >> On Thursday 20 September 2007 8:14 am, Tim Fournet wrote: >> >> >> >> Also, SMTP servers blocking incoming mail from misconfigured servers, >> and ISPs blocking incoming TCP/25 connections to home IP ranges have >> nothing to do with each other, except for being two separate measures of >> blocking SPAM. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> > >
