I'm a longtime user of both Sqlline and Apache DB, and think the former is a natural fit for the latter. I am also an Apache and IPMC member, and am eager to help in any way to get this process moving.
I also wanted to note that the Apache DB Project Bylaws [1] specify the following process for adding new subprojects: "PMC members may propose the creation of new subprojects. Creation of a new subproject requires approval by 3/4 positve vote with a minimum of 3 positive votes of the PMC. Abstaining PMC voters do not affect the result. New code enters the DB project in accordance with ASF policy." Rick, is there any chance that you would be willing to propose the creation of the Sqlline subproject? If so, I'm happy to write up the proposal. Thanks. - Carl [1] https://db.apache.org/management.html On 2021/11/01 19:30:11 Julian Hyde wrote: > Thanks, Craig. It seems that Petri would be a reasonable route for a mature > project to become an Apache TLP. As would Incubator, in my opinion. > > However, my main questions concern DB. Is DB interested in sub-projects? If > so, how would one enter DB? > > I think that SQLLine would be a good fit in DB, but other than Rick’s > remarks, I’m not sensing much enthusiasm. > > Julian > > > > > On Nov 1, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The incubator is indeed how most projects come to Apache. > > > > But Petri is a group that is specifically designed to fast-track projects > > that already know how communities work and are interested in bringing their > > project to Apache. > > > > You can start by looking at the project web site https://petri.apache.org > > and asking questions on the discuss@ mail list. > > > > Warm regards, > > Craig > > > >> On Nov 1, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Rick Hillegas <rick.hille...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I don't know of any fast-track process for circumventing the incubator. I > >> have never incubated a project myself, so I would defer to Craig for > >> guidance. > >> > >> On 11/1/21 12:13 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: > >>> (Moving sqlline-dev to bcc.) > >>> > >>> Thanks for the reply, and the warm welcome, Rick. > >>> > >>>> From what I can tell (if Derby, JDO, Cayenne are to be regarded as > >>> typical), sub-projects enter the DB project via the Incubator, sponsored > >>> by > >>> DB, and after completing incubation graduate into DB. And then the > >>> committers of the incubating sub-project become PMC members of DB. > >>> > >>> The Incubation process seems viable for us. I'm sure we can attract a few > >>> more regular contributors during incubation. The ‘teaching people the > >>> Apache Way’ aspect of the Incubator seems unnecessary, given that > >>> contributors to SQLLine have plenty of Apache experience; I took Calcite > >>> through incubation, and have mentored a half dozen projects through > >>> incubation. > >>> > >>> By the way, does that process require a Board vote? Or is it just a vote > >>> by > >>> the DB PMC? > >>> > >>> Would IP clearance be an alternative way to enter? I guess if we went that > >>> route, we would still have to earn our commit bits & PMC membership after > >>> entering DB, and in the interim, that would make releases a bit difficult. > >>> > >>> Julian > >>> > >>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Rick Hillegas <rick.hille...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hey Julian, > >>> > >>> I think that the DB project would be a good home for SQLLine. DB already > >>> has a SQL REPL tool called ij, which can be deployed against any JDBC > >>> database. The ij REPL tool is part of the Derby toolset: > >>> https://db.apache.org/derby/docs/10.15/tools/ctoolsij34525.html There > >>> could > >>> be some interesting cross-pollination between SQLLine and ij. > >>> > >>> Craig Russell hangs out at the DB project. He has a wealth of experience > >>> incubating projects and can probably help guide you through the process. > >>> > >>> You probably already know much more about the Apache incubator than I do, > >>> given your stewardship of Calcite. At first blush, it sounds as though you > >>> need to sort out some IP issues and attract a couple more active > >>> contributors in order to pass the incubator hurdles. > >>> > >>> I don't know what you need from DB at this point. Maybe Craig can weigh > >>> in. > >>> > >>> Welcome and a big +1 to folding SQLLine into Apache DB. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> -Rick > >>> > >>> > >>> On 10/28/21 8:49 PM, Julian Hyde wrote: > >>> > >>> Is the DB project interested in adding sub-projects? And if so, what > >>> are the criteria for acceptance, and what is the process? > >>> > >>> SQLLine [1] is an open-source project that provides a command-line > >>> shell for any JDBC data source. It is widely used, including in Apache > >>> projects such as Drill and Calcite, and even more widely forked (e.g. > >>> Hive’s Beeline). The project was founded in around 2002 [2] and around > >>> 2012 I adopted it, moved it to GitHub, and started making releases > >>> again [3]. We have two regular contributors (myself and Sergey > >>> Nuyanzin) and several occasional contributors, and make one or two > >>> releases per year. > >>> > >>> In the SQLLine project, we have recently started a conversation about > >>> governance, branding and IP ownership. Based on its GitHub URL, > >>> people tend to assume that it is a single-developer project, and that > >>> perception may hurt adoption and participation. We have been moving > >>> towards an ASF-style governance model based on a PMC and committers, > >>> but we are just short of critical mass. > >>> > >>> We think that SQLLine might be a good fit for the DB project. As a > >>> Java-based tool for interacting with databases it fits the mission > >>> perfectly; several of us are active in ASF projects and therefore know > >>> how things work in Apache. If accepted, we could contribute to the > >>> running of the DB project (voting on other sub-projects’ releases, for > >>> example). > >>> > >>> Please let us know whether you think it would be a good fit for our > >>> projects. > >>> > >>> Julian > >>> > >>> [1] https://github.com/julianhyde/sqlline > >>> > >>> [2] https://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlline/files/sqlline/ > >>> > >>> [3] https://github.com/julianhyde/sqlline/blob/master/HISTORY.md > >>> > >> > > > > Craig L Russell > > c...@apache.org > > > >
