Going through the incubator makes sense. I would probably be champion and a mentor, and given the experience of the project members, there’s not much Apache Way to be taught. We can complete the necessary admin tasks (IP check, name search, etc.) and make a release via the Incubator.
In the incubation proposal [1], DB would be the Sponsoring Entity. Per the proposal template, the DB PMC would need to vote whether to sponsor. Julian [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/New+Podling+Proposal > On Apr 1, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > The hard part about bringing in sub-projects is what the incubator focuses on: > importing the code base into apache repositories > getting the proper licensing in place for the code > making releases with attention to vetting, voting, and staging > working as a community > > If we have suitable mentors for SQLLine it should be a quick trip through the > incubator. And the DB project can adopt it at graduation, assuming that we > can get the required consensus among the DB PMC members. > > Best regards, > Craig > >> On Apr 1, 2022, at 4:50 PM, Julian Hyde <jhyde.apa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Petri seems to be intended for prospective top-level projects, and for >> projects that have no experience with the Apache Way. Neither of those are >> true for SQLLine. I would like to hear Craig’s opinion in light of the >> discovery that the bylaws allow the PMC to create sub-projects. >> >> >>> On Apr 1, 2022, at 2:02 PM, Rick Hillegas <rick.hille...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I would be happy to call a vote on adding SQLLine as a DB sub-project. >>> However, it seems to me that SQLLine must first pass the hurdles of some >>> process which verifies its community support and IP. If Craig thinks that >>> Petri is an adequate fast-track process, then that sounds like the next >>> step. I'm happy to serve as DB sponsor--if such a thing is relevant to >>> Petri--provided that this doesn't entail much work. >>> >>> On 4/1/22 1:10 PM, Julian Hyde wrote: >>>> By the way, I know that DB is due to send a report for this month's ASF >>>> Board meeting. I think it would be appropriate to mention that SQLLine has >>>> approached the project with a view to joining as a sub-project. >>>> >>>> On 2022/04/01 20:07:18 Julian Hyde wrote: >>>>> Thanks for raising this, Carl. I think the SQLLine project members would >>>>> be interested in joining the DB project by this means. Given the members' >>>>> experience with Apache this low-friction approach makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> Julian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2022/03/30 19:25:11 Carl Steinbach wrote: >>>>>> I'm a longtime user of both Sqlline and Apache DB, and think the former >>>>>> is a natural fit for the latter. I am also an Apache and IPMC member, >>>>>> and am eager to help in any way to get this process moving. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also wanted to note that the Apache DB Project Bylaws [1] specify the >>>>>> following process for adding new subprojects: >>>>>> >>>>>> "PMC members may propose the creation of new subprojects. Creation of a >>>>>> new subproject requires approval by 3/4 positve vote with a minimum of 3 >>>>>> positive votes of the PMC. Abstaining PMC voters do not affect the >>>>>> result. New code enters the DB project in accordance with ASF policy." >>>>>> >>>>>> Rick, is there any chance that you would be willing to propose the >>>>>> creation of the Sqlline subproject? If so, I'm happy to write up the >>>>>> proposal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Carl >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] https://db.apache.org/management.html >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2021/11/01 19:30:11 Julian Hyde wrote: >>>>>>> Thanks, Craig. It seems that Petri would be a reasonable route for a >>>>>>> mature project to become an Apache TLP. As would Incubator, in my >>>>>>> opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, my main questions concern DB. Is DB interested in >>>>>>> sub-projects? If so, how would one enter DB? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that SQLLine would be a good fit in DB, but other than Rick’s >>>>>>> remarks, I’m not sensing much enthusiasm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Julian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The incubator is indeed how most projects come to Apache. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But Petri is a group that is specifically designed to fast-track >>>>>>>> projects that already know how communities work and are interested in >>>>>>>> bringing their project to Apache. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can start by looking at the project web site >>>>>>>> https://petri.apache.org and asking questions on the discuss@ mail >>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 1, 2021, at 7:03 AM, Rick Hillegas <rick.hille...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know of any fast-track process for circumventing the >>>>>>>>> incubator. I have never incubated a project myself, so I would defer >>>>>>>>> to Craig for guidance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/1/21 12:13 AM, Julian Hyde wrote: >>>>>>>>>> (Moving sqlline-dev to bcc.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply, and the warm welcome, Rick. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From what I can tell (if Derby, JDO, Cayenne are to be regarded as >>>>>>>>>> typical), sub-projects enter the DB project via the Incubator, >>>>>>>>>> sponsored by >>>>>>>>>> DB, and after completing incubation graduate into DB. And then the >>>>>>>>>> committers of the incubating sub-project become PMC members of DB. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Incubation process seems viable for us. I'm sure we can attract >>>>>>>>>> a few >>>>>>>>>> more regular contributors during incubation. The ‘teaching people the >>>>>>>>>> Apache Way’ aspect of the Incubator seems unnecessary, given that >>>>>>>>>> contributors to SQLLine have plenty of Apache experience; I took >>>>>>>>>> Calcite >>>>>>>>>> through incubation, and have mentored a half dozen projects through >>>>>>>>>> incubation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By the way, does that process require a Board vote? Or is it just a >>>>>>>>>> vote by >>>>>>>>>> the DB PMC? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would IP clearance be an alternative way to enter? I guess if we >>>>>>>>>> went that >>>>>>>>>> route, we would still have to earn our commit bits & PMC membership >>>>>>>>>> after >>>>>>>>>> entering DB, and in the interim, that would make releases a bit >>>>>>>>>> difficult. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Julian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 12:11 PM, Rick Hillegas >>>>>>>>>> <rick.hille...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey Julian, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think that the DB project would be a good home for SQLLine. DB >>>>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>> has a SQL REPL tool called ij, which can be deployed against any JDBC >>>>>>>>>> database. The ij REPL tool is part of the Derby toolset: >>>>>>>>>> https://db.apache.org/derby/docs/10.15/tools/ctoolsij34525.html >>>>>>>>>> There could >>>>>>>>>> be some interesting cross-pollination between SQLLine and ij. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Craig Russell hangs out at the DB project. He has a wealth of >>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>> incubating projects and can probably help guide you through the >>>>>>>>>> process. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You probably already know much more about the Apache incubator than >>>>>>>>>> I do, >>>>>>>>>> given your stewardship of Calcite. At first blush, it sounds as >>>>>>>>>> though you >>>>>>>>>> need to sort out some IP issues and attract a couple more active >>>>>>>>>> contributors in order to pass the incubator hurdles. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you need from DB at this point. Maybe Craig can >>>>>>>>>> weigh in. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Welcome and a big +1 to folding SQLLine into Apache DB. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> -Rick >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/28/21 8:49 PM, Julian Hyde wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is the DB project interested in adding sub-projects? And if so, what >>>>>>>>>> are the criteria for acceptance, and what is the process? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> SQLLine [1] is an open-source project that provides a command-line >>>>>>>>>> shell for any JDBC data source. It is widely used, including in >>>>>>>>>> Apache >>>>>>>>>> projects such as Drill and Calcite, and even more widely forked (e.g. >>>>>>>>>> Hive’s Beeline). The project was founded in around 2002 [2] and >>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>> 2012 I adopted it, moved it to GitHub, and started making releases >>>>>>>>>> again [3]. We have two regular contributors (myself and Sergey >>>>>>>>>> Nuyanzin) and several occasional contributors, and make one or two >>>>>>>>>> releases per year. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In the SQLLine project, we have recently started a conversation about >>>>>>>>>> governance, branding and IP ownership. Based on its GitHub URL, >>>>>>>>>> people tend to assume that it is a single-developer project, and that >>>>>>>>>> perception may hurt adoption and participation. We have been moving >>>>>>>>>> towards an ASF-style governance model based on a PMC and committers, >>>>>>>>>> but we are just short of critical mass. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We think that SQLLine might be a good fit for the DB project. As a >>>>>>>>>> Java-based tool for interacting with databases it fits the mission >>>>>>>>>> perfectly; several of us are active in ASF projects and therefore >>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>> how things work in Apache. If accepted, we could contribute to the >>>>>>>>>> running of the DB project (voting on other sub-projects’ releases, >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> example). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please let us know whether you think it would be a good fit for our >>>>>>>>>> projects. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Julian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/julianhyde/sqlline >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [2] https://sourceforge.net/projects/sqlline/files/sqlline/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [3] https://github.com/julianhyde/sqlline/blob/master/HISTORY.md >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Craig L Russell >>>>>>>> c...@apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >> > > Craig L Russell > c...@apache.org >
