On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Dan Bron <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the idea of a modern J IDE delivered as a web app is really cool > and would help promote the language. And I like the idea of using > off-the-shelf components which are field-tested and supported by a broader > community, rather than inventing our very own wheel. > > But I also agree that a lot of attention has gone into the development > environment, rather than our real treasure: the language! Though we've > incremented the version number, our actual interest, the programming > language, hasn't changed in years. > > Like the old Folger's coffee commercials, I bet if I secretly switched > your J8 DLL with a J5 DLL, you'd never notice the difference. In fact, > unless you use the dyad ;: , I bet I could put J4 in there! > > Though our language, as it stands, is a wonderful treasure, and a > testament to Ken's foresight and Roger's effort, there is no such thing as > perfect, or even completed, software. So, I would be much more interested > in seeing developments in the core language than in peripherals like the > IDE. > > And, now that we have the source, we have the opportunity to see that kind > of development. What we are sorely lacking is the infrastructure to build > it, and run the test suite, so that we can make changes with confidence. > JSoftware is not going to supply one, and the current OpenJ project is > stalled for that. We can't even play with the exciting new toys Pepe > announced last week (though Thomas and Pepe are willing to take the time to > build and supply a custom binary, thankfully). >
See http://www.jsoftware.com/pipermail/programming/2013-March/031835.html for details on the build. > > I don't know what to suggest as a remedy. I personally don't have the > expertise to create a build system for J. I'm barely competent enough in C > to muddle through the source if someone provided a 1-click build/test > suite. I just know we need one. > > -Dan > > > Please excuse typos; composed on a handheld device. > > On Mar 7, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Murray Eisenberg <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > On 7 Mar 2013 12:46:24 +0100, Martin Saurer <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> To everybody who wants to check out an experimental new browser based J > IDE. > >> > >> http://www.jsoftware.com/jwiki/Scripts/qjide > >> > >> ...Your feedback will be highly appreciated.. . . > > > > The curse of programming is developers of programming languages! > > > > While I'm not complaining in particular about this one effort, surely > it's more important to get the major development efforts now underway -- > jhs and jqt -- working fully and robustly, for all platforms and to > encompass all the usual things that j602, and earlier versions, allowed, > including documentation, labs, graphics, demos, etc. Rather than leave > things in the half-implemented state we seem to be in right now. > > > > --- > > Murray Eisenberg > [email protected] > > Mathematics & Statistics Dept. > > Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H) > > University of Massachusetts 413 545-2838(W) > > 710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801 > > Amherst, MA 01003-9305 > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
