My experience was that college calculus students using J in a computer lab
had difficulty with

   2*3+4
14

--their TI calculators gave the desired answer 10.  I told them "always
parenthesize multiplications, divisions, exponentiations, and f x", but
they forgot.

I supplied hidden definitions for fn, pi, sin, cos, etc. so that

   f =: '(2*y)+4' fn

defined what is colloquially called the 2x+4 function.

There I went beyond grade school, but the remark about TI calculators would
apply to grade school.  Children are taught PEMDAS for order of operations:
Parentheses, Exponentiation, Multiplication, Division, Addition,
Subtraction.  I am aware Ken pointed out inadequacies of this rule.  TI's
Algebraic Logic System is complicated!

On Monday, September 22, 2014, Brian Schott <[email protected]> wrote:

> I suspect I have told this tale before, but JHS has renewed my enthusiasm
> for the results.
>
> Back in the '80s I was teaching in a brand new computerized classroom
> where each student had a computer and the instructor had both the computer
> and a large display screen. The computers were all linked to a school wide
> wired network and was administered by the IT department. One of the people
> in the IT department wrote a special program for me that enabled my
> students to anonymously type one-line messages on their own computer and
> the results were displayed on the instructor's computer and on the
> classroom's large  screen.
>
> I would ask questions and the students could type their answers with
> confidence that others would not know their identity.Their answers were
> like today's text messages and did not have any calculation involved. From
> the front of the classroom I was able to comment on answers and help
> students who were having trouble very effectively, I think.
>
> Wouldn't JHS in a modern classroom enable a similar situation if each
> student brings his or her own tablet? And the messages could be typed in  J
> phrases (even without a graphics result from the likes of plot and viewmat)
> or in NB.'ed text.
>
> Does anyone have experience with this?
>
>
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