Stefan (and crew)

I am Glad to hear gump creates maven relieves the maven 
developer from endlessly typing maven -Dparam1=value1


Gump goal of Generating Metadata:

if the defining goal of gump is generating metadata .. maven now supports the 
following function metadata declarations

1)distributed repositories
2)configurable order of execution
3)version declaration for all artifacts

4)quick generation of customised plugins by implementing 'AbstractMojo'

Gumps replacement of XSLT and Bash with Python:
replacing xslt and bash with python probably drove more developers away from 
maintaining as you moved from 
OpenSource readable scripts

proprietary binaries 

If *any* proprietary binaries go fubar then you're back to hunting for 
version specific C file
version specific header files
version specific gcc compiler
version specific linker
and PRAY your include,lib,path environment variables are configured correctly 
for your host and architecture

Continuous Integration Tool(s)
Most Continous Integration tools I have seen e.g, Thoughtworks CI tool 
CruiseControl suffer from lack of configurability

In fact i would add Unattended Continous Integration tools provide value *only 
1)they are configurable
2)the tool source is OpenSource instead of using proprietary binaries

not picking on python perse..any "easy to use scripting tool" which compiles to 
binaries suffers from the same maintainability scenarios
so where to drive gump seems to be up to the committers

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> Subject: Re: Where to go with Gump?
> From:
> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 16:08:43 -0600
> To:
> Stefan et al,
> I hesitate to reply since I've not contributed in quite some time (and yes, 
> that is some *significant* British understatement. ;-)
> As somebody who found them self sucked away from Gump, I want to express my 
> appreciation (and admiration) for all the Gump efforts over the years. There 
> may be no direct uses of Gump but every issue resolved early is a valuable 
> contribution to the full stack of projects hove there, with countless hours 
> saved from fighting incompatibilities, and OSS productivity gains.
> That said, the fact that the burden of metadata maintenance has been on Gump 
> committers speaks volumes (either to it's usability or it's acceptance.) 
> Perhaps the value that Gump provides (i.e. early warning of backwards 
> compatibility issues) is just too far removed from those working on projects 
> to be anything more than a nagging annoyance. It is a voice for the user of a 
> library, but few seemed to appreciate it as such. Maybe if it only built 
> stacks of pre-release candidates to ensure that releases were compatible (or 
> at least discontinuities were accounted for) it would get more respect. Not 
> sure.
> I definitely believe that Gump committers alone should NOT do the bulk of the 
> metadata maintenance and issue resolving, however I wonder if it is the type 
> of services that won't be missed until it is gone, and if this discussion 
> should be put to a wider community (once fully discussed here.) 
> regards,
> Adam
> Adam R. B. Jack
> On May 20, 2013, at 4:27 AM, Stefan Bodewig <> wrote:
> > On 2013-05-19, Sander Temme wrote:
> > 
> >> Yes, this makes it seem that we are performing a thankless task.
> >> Perhaps the right question to ask is who here at the Gump PMC is using
> >> its facilities to good effect, since we constitute the minimum viable
> >> community to keep it going.
> > 
> > It's not easy for me to admit that, but currently I mainly look after
> > Gump "because it's there". At one point in time I took every
> > non-trivial build failure as a reason to contact the involved parties
> > but have been worn out by now.
> > 
> > Stefan
> > 
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