One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from
different members of the Incubator PMC on: "Who can and who can not
send the account setup mail to root?"
Given each new committer vote will have 3 PMC votes, why does a mentor
have to send the account setup to root? Why can't the mail to root just
contain a link to the vote result with 3 PMC members on it from the
general list?
Some PMC members have the view that any PPMC member should be able to
send the account setup to root to learn the system, others say it has to
be a mentor. Cliff has kindly taken care of most of these mail for us so
far so this is more theoretical, however having clarity on this in the
document would also be good as I have wondered about the reasoning
behind this practice. If the mail to root has to be cc-ed to general
list and PPMC and has 3 PMC votes on it then it would seem to me that
it could be send by anyone.
Carl.
Craig L Russell wrote:
Having seen this identical discussion at least half a dozen times,
I've committed changes to the guides/ppmc document removing the
distracting (P) from the discussion on new committers.
The new text says
Only votes cast by Incubator PMC members are binding. If the vote is
positive, and the contributor accepts the responsibility of a
committer for the project, the contributor formally becomes an Apache
committer. An Incubator PMC member should then follow the documented
procedures to complete the process, and CC both the Incubator PMC and
the PPMC when sending the necessary e-mails to root.
I included the redundant "Incubator" in "Incubator PMC" simply to
reinforce Noel's comment that PMC means Incubator PMC.
Craig
On May 29, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Yoav Shapira wrote:
I voted +0, not having had time to review the proposed committer's
contributions.
+1 != +0
I always thought (and the documentation at
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html) says PPMC votes are
binding.
It says (P), and the (P) clearly does not belong. Notice that
elsewhere it
properly says PPMC, with no (), and the places that are wrong were
PMC to
which someone added (P). Likewise "IPMC" should simply be PMC.
There is
only one PMC: the Incubator PMC.
I don't know how to say this more clearly. The PPMC is not a recognized
entity in the ASF Bylaws. The PMC is the legal entity, and only PMC
votes
count in any ASF project. PPMC members should still vote, as can other
members of the community, but as a legal matter, only PMC votes are
binding.
This is not Incubator policy, it is how the ASF works.
It is the same in Jakarta, for example, where any Jakarta Committer who
isn't on the PMC can vote, but only Jakarta PMC votes count. For years
people didn't understand this, but please understand that Jakarta is the
source of many of the wrong and bad practices in ASF projects that
didn't go
through either the HTTP Server project or the Incubator.
the documentation link above is out of date.
It was never "in date". It is wrong, regardless of date.
--- Noel
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