Joe, this is (in general) great. I feel I could pick a few holes and make a few suggestions but they are mostly insignificant so I'll refrain from doing so.
I do have one concern I want to air. Unfortunately I don't have a suggestion for improvement so am happy for you to ignore it, but maybe someone else has a bright idea. My concern is the use of the word "right". We are a volunteer organisation. Telling a podling they have a "right" to Foo and Bar might set the wrong tone. Upayavira appears to be thinking something similar (unless I'm misinterpreting him) when he asks: "I guess a question that it would be worth clarifying - what happens to a perfectly reasonable podling who's mentors resign/go awol, when the Incubator PMC cannot recruit replacements? Can we make any promises at that point?" Perhaps we can use a slightly softer word - perhaps I'm being too cautious. On 16 June 2013 15:16, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Since I realize that most of you can't be > bothered to look at the wiki page I created ;-), > I'll go ahead and post the current content > here for commentary. I hope the bulk of it > is non-controversial, though some of it may > not belong on the page... > > > ------------------------------------------------ > First a clarification- as provisional constructs of the Incubator PMC, > podlings have no official standing in the corporation known as The Apache > Software Foundation. So technically, it is a farce to claim that podlings > have any formal rights whatsoever. What we write about here are promises and > covenants the Incubator PMC will make a good-faith effort to honor. > > 1. First, podlings have a right to expect active participation and > guidance from their mentors. That minimally includes participation in release > votes, discussions and votes on new personnel, and signing off on a podling's > quarterly reports. > > > 2. Mentoring is done solely for the podling's benefit, and as such > podlings have the right to fire mentors for any reason by a majority > consensus vote on their private list. Just don't be denigrating about it, > since mentors are always volunteers and not paid staff. > > > 3. Podlings who find themselves in need of additional mentors have the > right to ask general@incubator for more mentors to volunteer. > > > 4. Podlings have the right to expect their quarterly reports to be read, > reviewed, and critiqued by "shepherds" on the Incubator PMC, who are > typically outside the podling's set of mentors. > > > 5. Podlings have the right to express private concerns about anything > related to their incubation to the Incubator Ombudsman <ombudsman@incubator>, > who will handle such communications as if they were sent anonymously. > > > 6. Podlings have the right to express their opinions concerning their > incubation efforts post-graduation (or post-mortem) in the form of an > anonymous survey. > > > 7. Podlings have the right to ignore commentary made on general@incubator > in the middle of a VOTE thread, especially during releases. Reminder- release > votes are a majority consensus vote, so seeing a few -1's occasionally is > expected and often ignorable by the RM should they otherwise see a majority > of at least 3 binding IPMC votes. > > > 8. Podling committers have the right to remain unsubscribed to > general@incubator. Any relevant policy/process changes will be passed along > by the podling's mentors. > ------------------------------------------------ > > Comments and critiques welcome. I'd like to > move the ball forward to a ceremonial endorsement > VOTE on this over the course of the remainder > of June, so please be constructive! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
