On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Chris Douglas <cdoug...@apache.org> wrote:
> The committer and PPMC list should be honest. If there is no > diversity, that fact must be visible for it to be tracked. > a big +1 Chris, I know you are pretty overloaded at the moment with podlings, but would you be willing to be a mentor for Argus? .. Owen > > Initial committers are a dodge that demonstrates nothing about the > project's willingness to not only accept, but attract new ideas. The > viability of an OSS project is not inaccurately *defined* as its > ability to compete for that attention. Demanding pro forma adherence > to heuristics is a harmful lesson to podlings, unless the goal is to > teach them to evade accountability. -C > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 02:38PM, Henry Saputra wrote: > >> Hi Andrew, thanks for chiming in =) > >> > >> I like your and Owen's opinion about initial members of an incubator > project. > >> And also agree it is responsibility of the polling to achieve better > >> diversity during its time under Apache incubator. > >> > >> For this particular proposal, however, the mentors mostly coming from > >> same organization. > >> Hopefully with this proposal announcement, the project could "solicit" > >> mentors from different organizations to help add check and balance. > >> > >> - Henry > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> > I had started typing up a response to Henry's mail but will discard > the > >> > beginning of it to say I agree with Owen. A new project coming into > the > >> > incubator quite naturally could have the initial set of committers > entirely > >> > from one organization. An organization donating an existing code > base, for > >> > example. > >> > > >> > However, there has been recent discussion elsewhere that the Incubator > >> > should more closely consider if an incubating project has succeeded > to grow > >> > a community beyond the initially limited group before declaring a > project > >> > ready for graduation. (Refer to the discussion on the graduation of > Apache > >> > Tez.) This position seems reasonable, and should naturally apply > here. If a > >> > project exits graduation with the same lack of PMC/committer > diversity with > >> > which it entered, this is in effect Apache-washing, in my opinion. A > >> > stacked PMC is no more open a community then one controlled by a BDFL > and > >> > hosted on GitHub. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Owen O'Malley <omal...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henry Saputra < > henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build some > >> >> > kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Apache incubator is a great place for new projects to grow their > community > >> >> and diversity. Once a project is established it is much harder to > change > >> >> the infrastructure and there projects started on github are more > likely to > >> >> stay on github. I think there is significant value in these projects > being > >> >> done in the Apache Way. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > All but one PPMC members for this proposal would be from > Hortonworks. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> Would you like to volunteer to help mentor? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Just from high level it seems like it has similar goal as Apache > Knox > >> >> > [1], what is the differences between the 2? > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I think Knox and Argus complement each other. Knox provides perimeter > >> >> security via proxy/gateway services, while Argus is providing fine > grain > >> >> integrated authorization and auditing. > >> >> > >> >> .. Owen > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Best regards, > >> > > >> > - Andy > >> > > >> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet > Hein > >> > (via Tom White) > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
