Sorry, which part of the quoted policy the 63% is allegedly scraping out?
For easy reference, here's the link
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
to the document containing the section of "Creating an Open and Diverse
community". So far I haven't heard a single matter of fact evidence supporting
your claim.
Thanks
Cos
On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:48PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>
> On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote:
> > Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation.
>
> So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A
> major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse
> meritocratic community."?
>
> I think not.
>
>
> >
> > What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project
> > understand how to make releases and are building community.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to
> >> nowhere.
> >>
> >> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman and
> >> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of intended
> >> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows to
> >> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither
> >> regarding healthiness.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >>
> >> Pierre Smits
> >>
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> >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list for a
> >>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back in
> >>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who want
> >>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is
> >>> 73db2e64-87d5-4dd5-91fb-403464895...@gbiv.com):
> >>>
> >>> [quote]
> >>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior
> >>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs.
> >>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a
> >>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure
> >>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that).
> >>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ...
> >>> and I have no cycles to spare.
> >>>
> >>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment
> >>> status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would
> >>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed.
> >>> [/quote]
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Cos
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> >>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation
> >>>> (Gridgrain).
> >>>>
> >>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and
> >> independece?
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Pierre Smits
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>> dsetrak...@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . <
> >>> amareshw...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the
> >>> automated
> >>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I dont see any such on project website -
> >>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/
> >>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion -
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >>>>>> .
> >>>>>> You might want to correct it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding
> >> the
> >>>>>> description
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>> Amareshwari
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> >>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established
> >>>>>> consensus
> >>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing
> >>>>>>> graduation to TLP.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vote thread:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Summary of the vote results:
> >>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 5. Semyon Boikov (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC)
> >>>>>>> 12. Andrey Novikov (Committer)
> >>>>>>> 13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer)
> >>>>>>> 14. Milap Wadwa
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a
> >>> consensus
> >>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you
> >>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> >>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> >>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> >>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> >>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
> >>>>>>> the public, related to the automated and managed flow of
> >>>>>>> information between systems.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Should be:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------
> >>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance,
> >>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and
> >>> transacting
> >>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time"
> >>>>> --------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> >>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project",
> >>>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> >>>>>>> Foundation; and be it further
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is
> >>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
> >>>>>>> related to the automated and managed flow of information
> >>>>>>> between systems and be it further
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite"
> >> be
> >>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
> >>>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
> >>>>>>> of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary
> >>> responsibility
> >>>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of
> >>>>>>> responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it
> >> further
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
> >>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
> >>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Semyon Boikov (sboi...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik (c...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Branko Čibej (br...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Ognen Duzlevski (mak...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Sergey Evdokimov (sevdoki...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Alexey Goncharuk (agoncha...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov (nivano...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Sergey Khisamov (s...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko (vkuliche...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznet...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Gianfranco Murador (mura...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Andrey Novikov (anovi...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov (voze...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrak...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Roman Shaposhnik (r...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Ilya Sterin (iste...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikho...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Irina Vasilinets (ivasilin...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Anton Vinogradov (a...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Sergey Vladykin (svlady...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Evans Ye (evan...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>> Yakov Zhdanov (yzhda...@apache.org)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that
> >>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice
> >> President,
> >>>>>>> Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the
> >>>>>>> direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the
> >>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> >>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed;
> >>>>>>> and be it further
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is
> >>>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
> >>>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
> >>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project; and be it further
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby
> >>>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the
> >> Apache
> >>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
> >>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
> >>>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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