On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org> wrote:
> I have used Gitter; not a good product honestly; not really comparable. IRC > has limitations in the editing and group experience. The others require > keeping up infrastructure. Slack just works, and works well for what it > does. Some of us in the NB community discussed these points while setting > it up and choosing. Too, they have been letting communities use it for free > a long time. We use Atlassian products too, but don't get me going on > hipchat differences; one of which is the sed like comment editing oddness. > > Thanks > > Wade > > On Mar 27, 2017 12:57 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" <motley.crue....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I don't understand the desire to use a closed-source, proprietary, > > locked-down walled-garden application like Slack to begin with. Why > > not use one of the several open-source look-a-like versions that are > > available? Or use Gitter, which is about to go Open Source[1]. > > > > [1]: https://venturebeat.com/2017/03/15/gitlab-acquires- > > software-chat-startup-gitter-will-open-source-the-code/ > > > > > > Phil > > This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org > > > > wrote: > > > The 90 member thing is really odd to me. I think you should write Slack > > help to ask for details about your issue. The agreement does mention > > invites where people don’t accept, and too many of those, could reduce > your > > ability to add more members, but this has been really rare in my > > experience, and we have way more for NetBeans, and other than perhaps 10 > > people, our over 300+ members were self invited using > > https://netbeans.signup.team/ <https://netbeans.signup.team/> Too, > before > > I set all this up, one of the questions I specifically asked Slack was > > related to limitations, members, etc as it was a worry for us, and they > > said there is no real limit on the number of members, but did mention the > > message limits on logging etc, and directed us to setup a log bot while > > taking our request for some other OSS subscription models. > > > > > > Hope it helps, > > > > > > Wade > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 27, 2017, at 01:37, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Yes, but they will be member anyway, so it won't change the limit we > > have today (90), right ? > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> JB > > >> > > >> On 03/27/2017 06:56 AM, Yaniv Rodenski wrote: > > >>> Hi JB, > > >>> > > >>> A common practice/hack is to create a small web app that allows > people > > to > > >>> send themselves invitations using the Slack API. > > >>> For example: > > >>> http://www.skill-space.com/blog/2015/11/16/create-an- > > auto-invite-channel-using-slack-heroku1 > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> Yaniv > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 at 3:40 pm, Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > j...@nanthrax.net> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi Wade, > > >>>> > > >>>> You are right: invite people on Slack means adding them as member. > > >>>> > > >>>> However, how can we accept Slack participants without inviting them > ? > > Is it > > >>>> possible ? > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks ! > > >>>> Regards > > >>>> JB > > >>>> > > >>>> On 03/26/2017 07:05 PM, Wade Chandler wrote: > > >>>>> My understanding is there isn’t a max limit on Slack for users for > > free, > > >>>> and I have confirmed this with Slack there is not supposed to be a > > >>>> limitation on numbers of members. NetBeans for instance has 320 > > members. > > >>>> Did someone tell you this or did you run into some issue? If so, you > > might > > >>>> write them to ask what is the deal.. It could be the difference in > > setup; > > >>>> we use a registration page which sends invitations > > >>>> https://netbeans.signup.team/ <https://netbeans.signup.team/> and > is > > >>>> using bots from https://stacktodo.com/ <https://stacktodo.com/> Or, > > it > > >>>> could be something about when it was setup and differences in plans > > over > > >>>> time. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It doesn’t change the limits on the log and file storage, but we > > explain > > >>>> to folks it is for ephemeral real time communication and never to be > > >>>> considered historic, but we are looking into setting up a log bot > > which > > >>>> Slack personnel told us could also be helpful for OSS use. Slack > said > > they > > >>>> don’t have plans for more features for OSS specific projects at the > > moment > > >>>> as one request from us was they make some new individual/personal > low > > pay > > >>>> option which could help communities with dedicated membership to pay > > for > > >>>> their own personal use, but they said no plans at this time, but > > would take > > >>>> it into consideration as an idea. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Wade > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 01:58, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Slack is very convenient for quick communication, but clearly, it > > >>>> doesn't change that the mailing list is the first communication > > channel. If > > >>>> discussions happen on Slack, minute notes/discussion has to be > > forwarded on > > >>>> the mailing list. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I wonder if we plan to ask for some "pro" Slack account for Apache > > >>>> projects (as we have license for IntelliJ for example). Now, at > Apache > > >>>> Beam, we reached the max capacity of the Slack free version (90 > Slack > > users > > >>>> on Beam channel and limited history). We already received new member > > >>>> request that we can't accept for now. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Thoughts ? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Regards > > >>>>>> JB > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 03/22/2017 10:37 PM, Craig Russell wrote: > > >>>>>>> Hi James, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> There was a pretty extensive discussion on the netbeans dev list. > > I’d > > >>>> encourage you to review this thread https://lists.apache.org/ > > thread.html/ > > >>>> 2dce365d03334c82d31b12c8b3dcad1a925a2f71af75658b8d8a5a07@% > > >>>> 3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You can get all of the messages in the thread by doing a quick > > search > > >>>> for “slack” on the d...@netbeans.apache.org list in lists.apache.org > . > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> My takeaway is that Slack not a substitute for email. But it is > > useful > > >>>> for ping-pong communication when people are in the heat of > > development. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> But no decisions are made on Slack, and any discussion there > (aside > > >>>> from “add a semicolon there” and “let’s get lunch") needs to be > > brought > > >>>> back to the dev list. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The underlying principle is that “if it didn’t happen on dev, > then > > it > > >>>> didn’t happen”. We strive for open, inclusive communications at > > Apache and > > >>>> that means attempting to encourage participation by everyone who > > wants to, > > >>>> regardless of primary language, time zone, and availability of > tools. > > (We > > >>>> assume everyone has a device that handles email clients). > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hope this helps. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Craig > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:27 PM, James Bognar < > jamesbog...@apache.org > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Can someone remind me? I thought there was a discussion a > couple > > of > > >>>> months > > >>>>>>>> ago about allowing incubator projects to use Slack for > > >>>> communication. What > > >>>>>>>> was the final decision? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Craig L Russell > > >>>>>>> c...@apache.org > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > >>>> jbono...@apache.org > > >>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net > > >>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com > > >>>> > > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > >> jbono...@apache.org > > >> http://blog.nanthrax.net > > >> Talend - http://www.talend.com > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > Personally. I like IRC. Chat is chat, it is really simple. I do not get the slack craze. Its features like search etc are "ok" at best. It's file sharing was borked during last s3 outage. I think we could get about the same mileage out of a hosted: https://kiwiirc.com/
