Slack works incredibly well is the basic reason. Some of the aspect that work well include:
- very effective UI - great integration with email so that i hear about messages that I didn't seem to see - great notification. An alert appears on the platform I am using. That is, I hear clicks on my laptop or a tone on my phone depending on which I am using, but I don't hear notifications from every platform I *might* be using. That means that when a notification happens I tend to actually hear it rather than tuning it out. - great sonic UI. The sounds are distinctive and penetrate cluttered soundscapes well without being painful. It may be that any given person doesn't care, but this sort of UI driven discussion often comes up an not uncommonly comes out in favor of non open alternatives. I try gimp again every few years, but every time I have done it, I go back to photoshop due to quality of results and productivity. I occasionally check out alternatives to IntelliJ, but they keep making it better and more multi-lingual and more useful. Where commercial products really are better, using them is a fine choice. But I really do think that commercial vendors have to keep jumping the bar set by OSS and they (we, actually) have to clear that bar and more. (obligatory note: I work for a company that makes software that we sell. The revenues from that pay for my groceries) On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Edward Capriolo <edlinuxg...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Wade Chandler <wadechand...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > I have used Gitter; not a good product honestly; not really comparable. > IRC > > has limitations in the editing and group experience. The others require > > keeping up infrastructure. Slack just works, and works well for what it > > does. Some of us in the NB community discussed these points while setting > > it up and choosing. Too, they have been letting communities use it for > free > > a long time. We use Atlassian products too, but don't get me going on > > hipchat differences; one of which is the sed like comment editing > oddness. > > > > Thanks > > > > Wade > > > > On Mar 27, 2017 12:57 PM, "Phillip Rhodes" <motley.crue....@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I don't understand the desire to use a closed-source, proprietary, > > > locked-down walled-garden application like Slack to begin with. Why > > > not use one of the several open-source look-a-like versions that are > > > available? Or use Gitter, which is about to go Open Source[1]. > > > > > > [1]: https://venturebeat.com/2017/03/15/gitlab-acquires- > > > software-chat-startup-gitter-will-open-source-the-code/ > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > This message optimized for indexing by NSA PRISM > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Wade Chandler < > wadechand...@apache.org > > > > > > wrote: > > > > The 90 member thing is really odd to me. I think you should write > Slack > > > help to ask for details about your issue. The agreement does mention > > > invites where people don’t accept, and too many of those, could reduce > > your > > > ability to add more members, but this has been really rare in my > > > experience, and we have way more for NetBeans, and other than perhaps > 10 > > > people, our over 300+ members were self invited using > > > https://netbeans.signup.team/ <https://netbeans.signup.team/> Too, > > before > > > I set all this up, one of the questions I specifically asked Slack was > > > related to limitations, members, etc as it was a worry for us, and they > > > said there is no real limit on the number of members, but did mention > the > > > message limits on logging etc, and directed us to setup a log bot while > > > taking our request for some other OSS subscription models. > > > > > > > > Hope it helps, > > > > > > > > Wade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 27, 2017, at 01:37, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Yes, but they will be member anyway, so it won't change the limit we > > > have today (90), right ? > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> JB > > > >> > > > >> On 03/27/2017 06:56 AM, Yaniv Rodenski wrote: > > > >>> Hi JB, > > > >>> > > > >>> A common practice/hack is to create a small web app that allows > > people > > > to > > > >>> send themselves invitations using the Slack API. > > > >>> For example: > > > >>> http://www.skill-space.com/blog/2015/11/16/create-an- > > > auto-invite-channel-using-slack-heroku1 > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> Yaniv > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 at 3:40 pm, Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > > j...@nanthrax.net> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Hi Wade, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> You are right: invite people on Slack means adding them as member. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> However, how can we accept Slack participants without inviting > them > > ? > > > Is it > > > >>>> possible ? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks ! > > > >>>> Regards > > > >>>> JB > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On 03/26/2017 07:05 PM, Wade Chandler wrote: > > > >>>>> My understanding is there isn’t a max limit on Slack for users > for > > > free, > > > >>>> and I have confirmed this with Slack there is not supposed to be a > > > >>>> limitation on numbers of members. NetBeans for instance has 320 > > > members. > > > >>>> Did someone tell you this or did you run into some issue? If so, > you > > > might > > > >>>> write them to ask what is the deal.. It could be the difference in > > > setup; > > > >>>> we use a registration page which sends invitations > > > >>>> https://netbeans.signup.team/ <https://netbeans.signup.team/> and > > is > > > >>>> using bots from https://stacktodo.com/ <https://stacktodo.com/> > Or, > > > it > > > >>>> could be something about when it was setup and differences in > plans > > > over > > > >>>> time. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> It doesn’t change the limits on the log and file storage, but we > > > explain > > > >>>> to folks it is for ephemeral real time communication and never to > be > > > >>>> considered historic, but we are looking into setting up a log bot > > > which > > > >>>> Slack personnel told us could also be helpful for OSS use. Slack > > said > > > they > > > >>>> don’t have plans for more features for OSS specific projects at > the > > > moment > > > >>>> as one request from us was they make some new individual/personal > > low > > > pay > > > >>>> option which could help communities with dedicated membership to > pay > > > for > > > >>>> their own personal use, but they said no plans at this time, but > > > would take > > > >>>> it into consideration as an idea. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Wade > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 01:58, Jean-Baptiste Onofré < > j...@nanthrax.net> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Slack is very convenient for quick communication, but clearly, > it > > > >>>> doesn't change that the mailing list is the first communication > > > channel. If > > > >>>> discussions happen on Slack, minute notes/discussion has to be > > > forwarded on > > > >>>> the mailing list. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I wonder if we plan to ask for some "pro" Slack account for > Apache > > > >>>> projects (as we have license for IntelliJ for example). Now, at > > Apache > > > >>>> Beam, we reached the max capacity of the Slack free version (90 > > Slack > > > users > > > >>>> on Beam channel and limited history). We already received new > member > > > >>>> request that we can't accept for now. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thoughts ? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Regards > > > >>>>>> JB > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 03/22/2017 10:37 PM, Craig Russell wrote: > > > >>>>>>> Hi James, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> There was a pretty extensive discussion on the netbeans dev > list. > > > I’d > > > >>>> encourage you to review this thread https://lists.apache.org/ > > > thread.html/ > > > >>>> 2dce365d03334c82d31b12c8b3dcad1a925a2f71af75658b8d8a5a07@% > > > >>>> 3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> You can get all of the messages in the thread by doing a quick > > > search > > > >>>> for “slack” on the d...@netbeans.apache.org list in > lists.apache.org > > . > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> My takeaway is that Slack not a substitute for email. But it is > > > useful > > > >>>> for ping-pong communication when people are in the heat of > > > development. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> But no decisions are made on Slack, and any discussion there > > (aside > > > >>>> from “add a semicolon there” and “let’s get lunch") needs to be > > > brought > > > >>>> back to the dev list. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> The underlying principle is that “if it didn’t happen on dev, > > then > > > it > > > >>>> didn’t happen”. We strive for open, inclusive communications at > > > Apache and > > > >>>> that means attempting to encourage participation by everyone who > > > wants to, > > > >>>> regardless of primary language, time zone, and availability of > > tools. > > > (We > > > >>>> assume everyone has a device that handles email clients). > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Hope this helps. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Craig > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:27 PM, James Bognar < > > jamesbog...@apache.org > > > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Can someone remind me? I thought there was a discussion a > > couple > > > of > > > >>>> months > > > >>>>>>>> ago about allowing incubator projects to use Slack for > > > >>>> communication. What > > > >>>>>>>> was the final decision? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Craig L Russell > > > >>>>>>> c...@apache.org > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > > >>>> jbono...@apache.org > > > >>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net > > > >>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > --------- > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache. > org > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > > > >> jbono...@apache.org > > > >> http://blog.nanthrax.net > > > >> Talend - http://www.talend.com > > > >> > > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > --------- > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > Personally. I like IRC. Chat is chat, it is really simple. I do not get the > slack craze. Its features like search etc are "ok" at best. It's file > sharing was borked during last s3 outage. I think we could get about the > same mileage out of a hosted: > > https://kiwiirc.com/ >
