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> On Nov 8, 2018, at 3:43 AM, Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 7:10 PM Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >>>> ...I propose this: >>>> >>>> If someone has done several of the following: >>>> - has been involved in an incubating project from start to finish >>>> - has been a release manager >>>> - has assembled LICENSE and NOTICE files >>>> - has reviewed and voted on releases >>>> - has proposed or accepted committers/PPMC members >>>> >>>> Then they can ask the IPMC to join to IPMC by sending an email to >> private@ listing what they have been involved in... >>> >>> I like that, +1 >> >> I think that those items are hard to measure and are oriented to release >> policy only. >> >> I would propose a simpler requirement. >> >> - Any PMC member of any TLP including ComDev. We then do formal NOTICE to >> the Board and if there is a concern address it. >> > > You're right that some (not all) of the items are hard to measure. I think > your counter-proposal would just push work to the Board (who simply won't > do it), Well the IPMC and not the Board. I admit I was pushing an extreme position as a device for focus. > and may result in podlings getting stuck with inactive mentors, and > limbo'ed releases. Perhaps it's possible to cut the original list down to > things that are measurable, and change the approach from one of enforcement > to one of enlistment: > > * Is willing and able to review and vote on releases for the podling. > * Is willing and able to coach the podling in proposing and accepting > committers/PPMC members. > > The real goal here, I think, is not to specify criteria that the IPMC or > the board can apply. The real goal is two-fold: a.) to give a potential > mentor the information necessary to determine if they can do the job. And > b.) to create an instrument of commitment. The mentor commits to involve > themselves in specific ways in the podling's incubation. Yes, and commitment is the key. The IPMC can fix this if we take some examples. (1) We have elected non-members to the IPMC. I was one. We should be more active in identifying merit. (2) We take Justin’s and/or your list of criteria. (3) We discuss potential IPMC candidates on private using the Beam model discussed dev@community. Specifically we start threads on private@incubator to track candidates as soon as an IPMC identifies a podling member getting the Apache Way. (4) As merit is acquired we VOTE on private@incubator. This approach follows the Apache Way. It makes the IPMC more closely operate like all other PMCs that are under the Board. Regards, Dave > > Best Regards, > Myrle --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
