At 09:21 7/3/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote:
>Peter Donald wrote:
>> I will say it again - though no one really seems to listen.
>
>No one's asking you to do anything you don't want to do, Peter. If you
>are not comfortable working on a Commons package, then you should not
>work on a Commons package.
I already work on commons packages - after all I work on Avalon ;)
>Meanwhile, we've got nine committers here who do want to collaborate on
>packages in the Commons setting. It has to be about what committers will
>commit to, because, as Roy Fielding said, "that's pretty much the only
>way to ensure that what we do remains a true collaboration and doesn't
>degrade into some sort of consortium or a mirror of our real jobs."
If the nine committers are devoted to it then it will happen regardless of
where. If you have an aversion to Avalon then road test it elsewhere.
Startup a sourceforge project and start building a community there. If
after 6 months the project has proven itself, has a community and has
actually achieved (or looks like achieving) it's goals then I will help you
lobby everyone to get it under Jakarta-Apache umbrella.
If you look back at the java.apache.org site you will notice that not every
project hit the bigtime. Yet they still carried the Apache name and
presumably apache members gave at least peripheral support to the projects.
This degrades the value of the Apache name (which is meant to be one of the
benefits of being an official Apache project) and is a drain on the more
devoted apache peeps.
Besides IMNSHO not only do projects have to have a commitment to Apache but
Apache has a commitment to it's projects. I think duplicating a project due
to NIH is a violation of that commitment in all but a few circumstances (of
which this is not one).
Cheers,
Pete
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