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"GOMEZ Henri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

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> Did they decive us ? May be ? 
> 
> May be it's really time to see if the next standards (for oss) should came
> from jcp, or from more open groups ?

Hm... a Java Open Source Process (JOSP)

It is very interesting.  The Open Source process hasn't really worked in the
past to build standards.  I think they have done a good job at building
standard implementations but not the standard themselves.

The big companies (Microsoft, IBM, SUN, etc) have been the ones creating the
standards.  IETF, JCP, W3C, etc are all good examples.

It would be interesting to see if the Open Source process could work for
*creating* standards.  At the very minimum it woul be interesting...

> I was just thinking about log4j case, which is an excellent piece of code but
> wasn't use in latest jdk.

... :

> But you know what ? People use log4j because it came from Apache and is
> synonim of quality.

Yes... and it is portable.  SUN really is brain damaged when it comes to their
philosophy of shoving everything the JDK.

JDK 1.7 will probably be around 100M or so :)

> So who should decide of next standards and apis for oss ?  w3c, ASF, exolab,
> enhydra but certainly no more jcp.
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Well.. not unless they change.

Kevin

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