> 
> Exactly. I haven't seen a decent one so far (except for NeXT/Apple 
> WebObjects). So if you want to compare O/R with text editors (like it 
> was done before in this thread), imagine a world with "vi" and "notepad" 
>   as the only 2 choices. Emacs and MS Word > 6.0 are yet to be invented.
> 

Wow...  A world without Word >6.0?  Where do I sign up!!!???

> > 
> > Torque is nice, but you have to specify the database first in the XML.
> > Usually, I prefer to code Java instead of XML. If it was the other way
> > around, it would have been our primary choice. No flames please: different
> > use cases call for different tools. Torque would have been perfect for a set
> > of tables which you can define completely from the beginning, and make a few
> > changes along the way. In our case, the set of tables was meant to grow and
> > be expandable.
> 
> This doesn't have to be hard either way. On my last project with 
> WebObjects, database have grown from 15 to 100 tables along the way (in 
> about 9 month). With a simple 1 screen GUI tool and a built in class 
> generator we *never* had problems synchronizing (or rather evolving) the 
> code base. Products like WebObjects or Cayenne, though they internally 
> work off of the model file (XML), still make your code easy to change. 
> But of course this varies from product to product.
> 
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