Sorry, didn't intend to "throw" the whole mail at you.

I haven't been around as long as you (probably a little over a year),
but this is one of my favorite lists.  It's far more entertaining than
television :-)

Jeff Schnitzer
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paulo Gaspar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:00 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: You guys are so funny.
> 
> Hey Jeff,
> 
> 
> I can agree with all you say but I don't understand why you throw
> this on my direction.
> 
> I have been defending the existence of competing projects since the
> Tomcat 3.3 versus Tomcat 4 wars until my most recent posts at the
> commons-dev list.
> 
> Maybe you do not follow the same lists I do. Maybe not for long
> enough.
> 
> If you read Jon's postings along this thread, you will also be
> better informed about whom has a thin skin problem.
> 
> 
> 
> Have fun,
> Paulo Gaspar
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Schnitzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:59 AM
> > To: Jakarta General List
> > Subject: RE: You guys are so funny.
> >
> >
> > > From: Paulo Gaspar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >
> > > Of course that from the way Jon talks about me you can tell that
> > > I do not always agree with him - Jon seems to only be friendly
> > > to those that agree with him.
> >
> > For the record, I've even committed the cardinal sin of creating a
MVC
> > webapp framework which is not Turbine (http://mav.sourceforge.net),
and
> > Jon is still pretty friendly to me :-)
> >
> >
> > You guys all need to lighten up.  It's not like this is a workplace
> > where everyone is competing for promotions or something.  How this
> > social game plays out isn't going to affect your paycheck or the
people
> > who hang out with you or whether or not you're going to get laid
this
> > weekend.
> >
> > A fair amount of banter is healthy in any community.  Poking fun at
each
> > other, lighthearted insults, competition, and yes conflict are a
> > standard part of any sitcom production.  Sure, there's a time for
"we
> > all love each other" mushy-type stuff but if it was like that all
the
> > time it would get boring really damn fast.  It is my observation
that
> > Apache works because of thick skins, not because of peace, love, and
> > happiness vibes.
> >
> > There's nothing wrong with a limited number of competing projects
under
> > one roof.  It's probably even a good idea.  It's not like Maven and
> > Centipede are competing implementations of the same API - this is
pretty
> > much a research field, and it's impossible to categorically predict
at
> > this point whether it is better to extend or generate the Gump
> > descriptors, or to use XSLT or DVSL, etc.  Until the science becomes
> > engineering, this mad driving need (among some) to "merge merge
merge"
> > is a pathology.
> >
> > Let it be.  Use the software you like.  Write the software you like.
> > Berate people over the truly important things, like choice of text
> > editor :-)
> >
> > Jeff Schnitzer
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ed is the *standard* text editor
> 
> 
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