Hey Jeff,

I can agree with all you say but I don't understand why you throw
this on my direction.

I have been defending the existence of competing projects since the
Tomcat 3.3 versus Tomcat 4 wars until my most recent posts at the
commons-dev list.

Maybe you do not follow the same lists I do. Maybe not for long 
enough.

If you read Jon's postings along this thread, you will also be 
better informed about whom has a thin skin problem.



Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Schnitzer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:59 AM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: RE: You guys are so funny. 
> 
> 
> > From: Paulo Gaspar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > 
> > Of course that from the way Jon talks about me you can tell that
> > I do not always agree with him - Jon seems to only be friendly
> > to those that agree with him.
> 
> For the record, I've even committed the cardinal sin of creating a MVC
> webapp framework which is not Turbine (http://mav.sourceforge.net), and
> Jon is still pretty friendly to me :-)
> 
> 
> You guys all need to lighten up.  It's not like this is a workplace
> where everyone is competing for promotions or something.  How this
> social game plays out isn't going to affect your paycheck or the people
> who hang out with you or whether or not you're going to get laid this
> weekend.
> 
> A fair amount of banter is healthy in any community.  Poking fun at each
> other, lighthearted insults, competition, and yes conflict are a
> standard part of any sitcom production.  Sure, there's a time for "we
> all love each other" mushy-type stuff but if it was like that all the
> time it would get boring really damn fast.  It is my observation that
> Apache works because of thick skins, not because of peace, love, and
> happiness vibes.
> 
> There's nothing wrong with a limited number of competing projects under
> one roof.  It's probably even a good idea.  It's not like Maven and
> Centipede are competing implementations of the same API - this is pretty
> much a research field, and it's impossible to categorically predict at
> this point whether it is better to extend or generate the Gump
> descriptors, or to use XSLT or DVSL, etc.  Until the science becomes
> engineering, this mad driving need (among some) to "merge merge merge"
> is a pathology.
> 
> Let it be.  Use the software you like.  Write the software you like.
> Berate people over the truly important things, like choice of text
> editor :-)
> 
> Jeff Schnitzer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ed is the *standard* text editor


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