So far I've seen 2 +1 and 2 -1 votes ( including mine ), this doesn't seem like a consensus. It's better to wait for the vote to finish ( and it would be nice to have a [VOTE] thread and a time limit ) before starting to do it.
Ted, Stephen - you are free to propose or encourage any subproject to do whatever you want - but please make clear that this is your personal opinion or proposal ( unless jakarta PMC or the board votes on this ).
But please start with the projects you are dirrectly involved with :-) -
I don't think it's a good practice to act as a parent for childs you
don't know very well.
Costin
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 28, 2003, at 10:25 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
+1
I agree that interested volunteers should:
* setup a Wiki area describing the TLP process and rationales , AND
Do you think we all should setup our own individual Wiki page, or work together? I'm getting the feeling you don't want to work together on this.
* give notice to each and every Jakarta DEV list that the area exists.
My main beef is that we have not done due diligence in alerting ALL of the subprojects of the latest developments.
What 'developments'? We are discussing things here on general@, and as far as I can see, we have no developments yet. Ted, you seem to be in a terrible hurry to push this through. Can you wait until people come back from the holiday break and read and catch up? the point of doing things here is to *increase* participation, not reduce it by rushing something through during a generally world-wide western holiday.
I've outlined a wiki page as described by this proposal <http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi? JakartaPMCTopLevelProjectApplication>, and setup a draft TLP resolution.
I would also volunteer to subscribe to each of the DEV lists and post a message pointing them to the archive of this thread. (Unless another volunteer already has an account setup to do such things. )
Instead of doing it yourself, why not try to work w/in the PMC structure and get a message that we all agree on, and have one person from each project on the PMC send to their community. It would be a good step in the direction you just were espousing in a different thread, namely increased participation.
Whether a subproject follows through or not can be totally up to each subproject. The important thing is that we do the due diligence in making sure *everyone* concerned has been apprised.
LOL. There is no legal requirement that any arbitrary idea that a person has *must* be propagated directly to the dev list of each sub-project. Let others join in this...
-Ted.
----- Original message ----------------------------------------> From: Stephen Colebourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:39:30 +0000 Subject: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
There has been considerable emphasis on this list over recent weeks for the
sticking plaster approach. That is to make small minor changes to Jakarta in
the hope the board will stop hassling us. This could be because this is the
consensus view and I'm an odd one out. Or it could be that those in favour
of multiple TLPs just can't be bothered with the arguing. So I thought I'd
place the alternative proposal on the table. If you like it, +1 it.
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