Currently that doesn't happen. Would be nice if it could, but it just doesn't fit.
When someone wins a vote, they're invited to join. If they accept, which they signify by joining the PMC list [the Jakarta Chair moderates it], then the Jakarta Chair passes their name onto the board and they're meant to get inked into the committers/board/committee-info.txt file when it's official. >From the previous batch of 20 or so, there are still 3 people or so who I didn't hear back from after two email attempts, and the other 17 [made up numbers] are still not in the committee-info file. I'm unsure when an announcement to this list would/should happen under the process above. The only part that is enforced is the board part, so until someone appears in committee-info, they're not technically on the PMC. There's a /committers/pmc/jakarta/pmc-pending.txt file which shows who is currently waiting addition to the committee-info. Ideas? Hen On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: > Thanks, will results be posted here? > > -Harish > > Henri Yandell wrote: > > > A vote is on-going at the moment [ends Sunday] for 20 or so people, but > > I've not heard of any movement on the plans to increase in a more > > aggressive way. > > > > Hen > > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: > > > > > >>Anything happening in this regard? > >> > >>-Harish > >> > >>Costin Manolache wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Ted Husted wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Right now, the only plan seems to be to nominate committers one-by-one > >>>>on the PMC list. I'm just saying that we shouldn't play favorites. I > >>>>believe all Jakarta committers have already earned membership in the > >>>>PMC; we should tender the offer to every Jakarta committer and let > >>>>each decision-maker decide for himself or herself. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>If the consensus is that the "bootstrap" PMC will continue to > >>>>hand-pick which of our duly-elected committers are promoted to the > >>>>PMC, and which are not, then so be it. But, personally, I think that > >>>>process is nothing but busy work. The community has already decided. > >>>>Let's ratify the community's decisions and let Jakarta be whatever > >>>>Jakarta wants to be. > >>> > >>> > >>>+1 > >>> > >>>It seems this is the consensus, to add most committers - one by one or > >>>ten by ten. Let's go with that for now, almost everyone is agreeing with > >>>the goal of having everyone who cares included ( I didn't see a vote > >>>yet, but it seems pretty clear we agree on this ). > >>> > >>>I don't like the process of "hand-picking" either - unfortunatly that's > >>>the norm in ASF ( membership and all other PMCs use the same mechanism). > >>> > >>>I hope after we get past the first stage we can have a [VOTE] and > >>>change this to people _volunteering_ for PMC - by sending a mail with > >>>"subscribe" subject and the list of sub-projects the person is > >>>volunteering to monitor. > >>> > >>> > >>>IMO the only way out of this discussion is to divide the problem into > >>>very small pieces and have real VOTEs and counting of each of them. > >>>Proposals with more than 1 "atom" have no chance, and most of the > >>>problems occur because everyone seems to think he knows what the others > >>>think without asking. > >>> > >>>Please people, write down what you want, separate it in very elementary > >>>pieces, then post a VOTE and see what the majority things ( it may be > >>>"consensus" or a simple majority - but at least you'll know what other > >>>think ). > >>> > >>>Like: > >>> > >>>1. Extend the PMC: > >>>- to include all committers ( even if the don't want ) > >>>- to include all the comitters who want > >>>- to include all who want and prove they understand the rules > >>> > >>>2. Future extension of the PMC: > >>> - hand-picking by current people > >>> - people volunteering - because we trust them already to write the code > >>>and do the work, and it's fair to let them join whenver they want. > >>> > >>> > >>>3. Jakarta and TLPs > >>> - 'encourage' every subproject to TLP > >>> - let each subproject decide if they want to leave jakarta- without > >>>encouragements > >>> - 'encourage' only subprojects that have problems > >>> - do a selection based on some characteristic ( like projects that > >>>"fit" togheter - whatever that means) > >>> - try to keep jakarta togheter and increase the community ( as > >>>jakarta-commons did ). If someone really wants to go - of course let him. > >>> > >>>4. Is jakarta a good thing ? > >>> - yes, not perfect but we are improving and working better with other > >>>jakarta people > >>> - no, it's just a mess > >>> - yes, other projects should do what jakarta does ! > >>> > >>> > >>>I hate when people keep talking about "consensus" and argue as if they > >>>knew what the consensus was, but we don't have even the most elementary > >>>vote to indicate what a majority thinks. > >>> > >>>And BTW - please make sure that the votes explicitely state that all > >>>_committers_ should vote, but only PMC member votes are binding !!! > >>>That's why people should volunteer for PMC, however this is about > >>>jakarta and comitters are what jakarata means. > >>> > >>> > >>>Costin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
