there doesn't see any enthusiasm for those new ideas and no objections
to phil's draft. i think we should go ahead and make the changes
suggested by phil.

- robert 

On Sun, 2005-07-03 at 22:39 +0100, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-07-03 at 13:13 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
> > Here is a stab at replacement text for 15, 17 and 18.
> 
> great :)
> 
> looks good but threw up some ideas...
> 
> > 15-1 Any member of the community may propose a new package. To be 
> > accepted, a package proposal must receive majority approval of the
> > subproject committers and at least one committer must volunteer to serve 
> > as an initial package team member. Proposals should identify the 
> > rationale for the package, its scope, its interaction with other 
> > packages and products, the <insert-subproject-name> resources, if any, 
> > to be created, the initial source from which the package is to be 
> > created, and the sponsoring committers.
> > 
> > 15-2 The subproject will maintain an svn repository, referred to as the 
> > <i>sandbox</i>, as a workplace for new packages.  Once approved, new 
> > packages must all begin in the sandbox. Any apache committer may 
> > contribute code directly to the sandbox and this code may form the 
> > initial source for new packages.  Code from existing apache projects 
> > can, with the support of the contributing projects, also be imported 
> > directly into the sandbox.  Finally, patches contributed incrementally 
> > by community members may be committed to the sandox by a subproject 
> > committer. If the initial source for a new package is from outside of 
> > apache, the new package must be brought into apache via the apache 
> > incubator.
> 
> not sure but wonder whether we might need to tightening this last
> sentence so that it can't be read as implying that having only a portion
> of the initial source from external sources is ok. opinions?
> 
> > 15-3 A majority vote among subproject commiters is required to 
> > "graduate" a package from the "sandbox" to become a proper package. Only 
> > proper packages may make releases. If a package remains in the sandbox 
> > for more than six months, a majority vote will be required to prevent 
> > its being archived from svn and removed from the subproject web site and 
> > any other public locations (e.g. nightly or continuous integration 
> > builds). Proper packages may not release code with dependencies on 
> > sandbox packages.
> 
> 1. i wonder whether it'd be better to have bi-annual reviews to simplify
> administration. in january, review all sandbox components which were
> created before the previous july. could run them as a single vote.
> 
> 2. i wonder whether we actually need to remove them from svn: just could
> copy them into an archive directory.
> 
> - robert
> 
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