When no one argues with it being called dormant? :) (go circular logic).
We've a bunch of meanings to cram into place. Obsolete is one term,
sometimes due to JDK advances (ORO, Regexp, Commons-Logging) and sometimes
because no one is really interested in the idea (ECS). The current status
within Commons is that we've put things under Dormant if they hadn't had
full releases. Inactive, yet released things have not been dealt with yet.
Mature is very different - a mature project should still have an active
user list and bugfixes being slowly made; at least someone should be
listening. They don't however have any new development happening or likely
to happen. For a mature project, I don't think we have to worry about
labelling, we just need to make sure that people are still listening.
Once the user mailing list is dead, that's when it's no longer mature and
has become dead/dormant. You can argue about the dead/dormant labelling,
but I think the easiest is to just go with Dormant for anything which is
dead both in terms of user and dev lists. As time goes by we can refine
that further.
So....
* Mature projects - no change. Just something to look out for; a dead dev
list and active user list with no one listening to bug reports being the
bad state of a mature project.
* Dormant projects - dead user list, dead dev list. Something becomes
dormant by calling a vote on general@ suggesting it be moved to dormant.
Forward the vote thread to the dev/user lists as a notification.
Hen
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Hm,
how do you consider a project "dormant"? Is Velocity "dormant"?
What I want to avoid is, that mature projects which are exactly where
the committers want them to have and the "one release a year, just bug
fixes" are put in the same bucket as projects that might be dormant or
dead. Once a project is in that state, FUD is inevitable.
We should make the effort to distinguish between stable projects/code
and dormant/dead code.
Best regards
Henning
On Sat, 2006-07-29 at 13:25 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
Hi, folks!
Recently, worries about the state of the Slide project came up in
private lists. It seems to be more or less unsupported and no
community seems to exist any more. Most posts to the lists remain
unanswered.
Additionally, I have heard voices who consider Slide redundant now
that Jackrabbit is a TLP.
While this is not the thread to find out what has happened to the
Slide project, we should think about what to do about it.
If there is no one who feels responsible for the project or is willing
to take responsibility we might put it into a dormant/unmaintained
mode. This might give possible new users a warning.
If new people came up who are ready to take the responsibility we
might revive it.
Additions? Opinions? Other voices? Am I completely wrong?
Looking at mail-archives;
Emails on the user list are 10% of what they were at the lists peak about
20 months ago. 40 odd so far this month, a dozen threads.
Emails on the dev list are down to around 5% of what they were at its peak
(20 months ago too). 30 emails this month. 4 threads from contributors,
not committers and a bunch of automated wiki/issues/commit ones.
How about creating a Dormant section on the LHS under Subprojects and
kicking off a vote to put ORO, Regexp, Slide, Alexandria (I know, it's
dead but simpler to put under Dormant for the moment), and ECS into it?
The Incubator are going to be putting Agila into dormancy I think - so we
can simply delete that link.
Hen
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