It IS a property of J.  In your example, both frames are empty.
There is no frame that is longer than the other, so there's
nothing to repeat.

It's like

'abc' , 'defg'

The rank of , is infinite, so there is no frame.  You have to go to
the definition of , to see what it does with its operands.

Henry Rich 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terrence Brannon
> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:38 PM
> To: General forum
> Subject: Re: [Jgeneral] long-frame rationing when the shapes 
> are not equal
> 
> Well in that case, Henry, "J for C" needs to state that long-frame
> rationing is not a property of J, but of particular verbs of j... I
> had put it in my dyad processing worksheet as an always, when it is
> not.
> 
> The whole dyad section of  "J for C" had me thinking it was a 
> property of J.
> 
> For example, take:
> http://www.jsoftware.com/help/jforc/loopless_code_i_verbs_have
> _r.htm#_Toc141157994
> 
> but also the case here:
> 'abc' ,"_ 0 'defg'
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/22/07, Henry Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You have it right: there's only 1 cell for each operand, so
> > they're paired.  Now you have to consult the Dictionary so
> > see what the -. verb will do with its operands.  You see
> > that it removes items of x that appear in y.  So it removes
> > the 2 and the 4s.
> >
> > Henry Rich
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Terrence Brannon
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:19 PM
> > > To: General forum
> > > Subject: [Jgeneral] long-frame rationing when the shapes 
> are not equal
> > >
> > > "long-frame rationing" is my term for what happens when 
> the noun with
> > > the larger frame has to broken up into n-cells to pair up with the
> > > noun with the smaller frame.
> > >
> > > It is demonstrated here:
> > > http://www.jsoftware.com/help/jforc/loopless_code_i_verbs_have
> > > _r.htm#_Toc141157994
> > >
> > > For the example:
> > > 100 200 + i. 2 3
> > >
> > > we see long-frame rationing occur when Henry says <QUOTE>The
> > > longer-frame operand (the right one) is broken up into operand
> > > 0-cells, each being paired with a copy of the 
> shorter-frame operand
> > > cell.  Each paired _1-cell becomes a row of paired operand
> > > cells:</QUOTE>
> > >
> > > so in my solution of  1 2 3 4 5 4 3 -. 2 4
> > > I am at the long-frame rationing step where the frames 
> are the same
> > > length, but I cannot pair them 1 for 1 because their shape is
> > > different:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Write out the entire expression: 1 2 3 4 5 4 3 -. 2 4
> > > Expand the verb rank(*1): -. b. 0
> > > 0 _ _
> > >
> > >
> > > Rank Calculation:
> > > ----------------
> > > left-noun-rank:       1                       right-noun-rank: 1
> > > left-verb-rank:       _                       right-verb-rank: _
> > > lesser left rank, lr = 1              lesser right rank, rr = 1
> > >
> > > The verb will be applied to 1-cells of the left operand
> > > and to 1-cells of the right operand.
> > >
> > > left-noun-shape:  7                     right-noun-shape: 2
> > >
> > > Frame Calulation(*2):
> > > --------------------
> > > left-frame: lf = empty                        
> right-frame: rf = empty
> > >
> > >                   common frame: cf  = empty
> > >      length of this common frame: rcf = 0
> > >                                  -rcf = (_0)
> > >
> > > Operand Pairing:
> > > ---------------
> > > 1. Pair by common frame consisting of (-rcf)-cells:
> > >
> > > [1 2 3 4 5 4 3][2 4]
> > >
> > > 2. Pair by long-frame rationing. If the frames are the 
> same length,
> > >    then you simply pair them 1 by 1.
> > >
> > > *** HELP NEEDED HERE ***
> > > 
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