Am 24.03.2011 um 20:03 schrieb Daniel Moree <[email protected]>:

> Just and update on the new framework. It is about 90% done. The new framework 
> is going together very fast. Should have it ready next week. Then ill start 
> on the basic app interface. Once its done, I'll upload it to the got server 
> for your viewing pleasure.
Could you post your changes to the Git repository, so that Eduardo and others 
could support you?

R,

Markus


> 
> Eduardo Martins Lopes <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Markus,
>>> Awesome!
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> About my proposal, i succeeded contacting my coleagues but the
>>> dissolution
>>>> of the team is irreversible and i could not find anyone else within the
>>> BR
>>>> group (the origin of the people involved is not a matter whatsoever).
>>>> 
>>> NP
>>>> On the other hand, Shadowbranch is back and his work is far more complete
>>> of
>>>> anything that i could provide, i believe AS could stick with what he'll
>>>> provide.
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I would definitly like to see you onboard of our team, and I guess SB would
>>> need some help with this anyway, so why are you not just joining him in the
>>> creation of a APP for us?
>>> 
>> 
>> That's a nice idea, I suppose SB will share what he had accomplished so far
>> so everybody would be to able to opinate
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In the mean time,  i will work out on something that i could also use for
>>> my
>>>> needs.
>>> NP as well, but like I said, I would like to see you onboard. There are
>>> lots of other tasks still open in our project.
>> 
>> 
>> I do want to help AS. I already am maintaining some pkgbuilds and currently
>> planning on get a few more. I also have some python/c++ skills that i would
>> like to put to use
>> 
>> Is thatch still active? I would love to see what he has already did
>> regarding automation.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry for the long delay on the answer, i was trying to reason with them
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> --
>>>> Eduardo Martins Lopes
>>>> Laboratory of Theoretical Chemistry
>>>> Universidade Federal de São Carlos,  SP - Brazil
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> R,
>>> 
>>> Markus
>>>> 
>>>> 2011/3/16 Daniel Moree
>>>> 
>>>>> The new version is not modular. The new cms is more a basic framework.
>>> The
>>>>> app will be the primary focus of the release and will be fully imported
>>> into
>>>>> the app git repo at the AS website.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eduardo Martins Lopes  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Phillip: What would you require from us? What would the server deps be
>>>>> like?
>>>>>> You're planning to use PostgreSQL (or even better, be
>>> database-agnostic)?
>>>>>> @Phillip: it's DB Agnostic as stated by Faelar, but the hosting
>>> service
>>>>>> would need to have python available, ssh access and fascgi (it's
>>> possible
>>>>> to
>>>>>> use other cgi-like stuff).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The big thing is, in my humble opinion, both solutions are tied to a
>>>>> one-man
>>>>>> show in some sort. Up to now, only one from my team has answered
>>> already,
>>>>> so
>>>>>> not a big group yet. Shadowbranch's solution will become available a
>>> bit
>>>>>> faster than mine, though i would like to know more about this new
>>> release
>>>>>> would require the cms frame.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> @Shadowbranch: does your new version depend on your cms? or it would
>>> be
>>>>> able
>>>>>> to run on it's own?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Eduardo Martins Lopes
>>>>>> Laboratory of Theoretical Chemistry
>>>>>> Universidade Federal de São Carlos,  SP - Brazil
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2011/3/16
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  A quick look at the first file (admin.php) show me that :
>>>>>>> - You're using global, which is usually not a good idea.
>>>>>>> - You're calling the echo function many times, why not closing the
>>>>> barket
>>>>>>> and writing strait html instead ?
>>>>>>> - You're embedding things likeand in the code, which is bad for
>>>>>>> maintainability, and also are deprecated and should be managed by a
>>> CSS
>>>>> or
>>>>>>> template file instead.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Please comment your code ! How can we help if we don't know what
>>> the
>>>>>>> program is supposed to do ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Global is fine as the core of the CMS turns off registering globals
>>> as
>>>>>>> that is a huge security whole and the only items globalized are
>>> config
>>>>>>> information, a link to the database, and a link to the users class.
>>>>> Again,
>>>>>>> my CMS was written with security first, functionality second. So far
>>> it
>>>>> has
>>>>>>> proven more secure than any other CMS I've tested. But, the version
>>> in
>>>>>>> current use has outgrown it's usefulness as a more advanced system.
>>>>> Hence a
>>>>>>> complete rewrite. Again focused on security first. The new rewrite
>>> will
>>>>>>> effectively remove globalized variables, only 3 of which exist
>>> anyways.
>>>>>>> I do call echo a lot and using straight HTML can make things
>>> simpler. I
>>>>>>> think it's more a programmers choice. I've seen it all from programs
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> just appended to a variable that is then finally output to the
>>> browser
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> straight HTML that then has PHP plugged into it. I think all ways
>>> are
>>>>> viable
>>>>>>> and accomplish the same task. Really up to the programmer(s) in my
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>> True, CSS should maintain these items, which it does, only very very
>>>>>>> limited items are used in the code to setup basic HTML elements that
>>> can
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> modified within the CSS. What you see is the initial rough draft
>>> that
>>>>> was
>>>>>>> not ment to be shown to the public. Hence no comments. I assure you
>>> my
>>>>> code
>>>>>>> is commented heavily.
>>>>>>> I'm open to ideas on the output method to use when dumping PHP.
>>>>>>> Personally, I don't like to output straight HTML with PHP code
>>> plugged
>>>>> in.
>>>>>>> It prevents me from being able to make massive changes as my system
>>> only
>>>>>>> uses the most basic HTML elements to show some of the data. There
>>> are
>>>>> other
>>>>>>> modules with virtually no HTML code. Over my 6 years of PHP I've
>>> found
>>>>> that
>>>>>>> echoing straight out when needed is efficient enough. I have tried
>>>>> straight
>>>>>>> HTML with PHP plugged in, so I'm not just stating from no knowledge.
>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> also tried dumping output to a global variable that is then output
>>> by
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> final processor command. It can be useful to do it that way, but
>>> I've
>>>>> found
>>>>>>> it harder to debug sometimes.
>>>>>>> 
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