On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 13:45:04 -0500 William Hubbs <willi...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 03:04:22PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 08, 2012 at 04:30:01PM +0200, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> > > New udev and separate /usr partition
> > > ====================================
> > > Decide on whether a separate /usr is still a supported
> > > configuration. If it is, newer udev can not be stabled and
> > > alternatives should be investigated. If it isn't, a lot of
> > > documentation will have to be updated. (And an alternative should
> > > likely still be provided.)
>
> There is no disagreement about whether or not separate /usr will be
> supported. No one has said that you can't have a separate /usr
> partition.
>
Isn't meant /usr without initramfs, independent of how "broken" some
people precieve it?
> Was the council aware of the tracker bug we have open where we are
> tracking the documentation changes explaining how to build an
> initramfs if you have a separate /usr partition [1]?
>
That's an effort I welcome either way. So thanks for that.
> Also, I am going to reiterate what Greg said. This is not an issue
> with udev, but with the entire linux ecosystem.
> There are binaries in /{bin,sbin} which link against libraries in
> /usr/lib for example.
>
With udev-182 its no longer only the ecosystem which produce some
broken products but udev itself which is broken. Otherwise we would
have gone on like we always did, right?
> Also, with the appropriate documentation changes, which are being
> worked on (see [1]), I feel that the statement above that newer udev
> can't be stabled should be re-evaluated.
>
Long term newer udevs will be stabilized and I'm positive it wont take
as long as grub2 or portage-2.2 ;)
There is no particular hurry as far as I know so let's give Chainsaw
some time to look into an udev patch and don't go with the 30 day
with bug fixing rule.
Support for initramfs was rather poor until recently. For instance
dracut-0.17-r3 (haven't tested 0.18 so far) was the first to actually
produce a usable initramfs for me. Thus far I crafted them manually if
needed. Personally I would like to see the initramfs situation further
improved, this includes genkernel and dracut stable on all platforms and
then give it time to let the knowlage spread or alternatively an udev
patch which allows current setups to continue to work before the
council re-evaluates the udev stabilization again.
Cheers
Ralph
> William
>
> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407959
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