If you're going to paint me and the other folks expressing opinions as
entitled mouth-breathers, certainly you can't expect not to hear any
reply because it's "off-topic"!
On 10/1/2012 2:00 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 01/10/2012 13:54, Rich Freeman wrote:
I don't think we can keep the discussion off -dev forever though. It
seems like we're close to being able to implement, which means lots of
changes that impact all devs. I can't imagine that we'd want to
implement that without some kind of council vote. Perhaps the
appropriate approach is to propose a GLEP?
No, the appropriate approach is first to _talk with Infra_. Guys I said
that before, but unless you actually factor in Infra when you want
infrastructure stuff done, you have to do the work yourself.
And it might not be nice and fun.
Well I definitely can't argue with the above, and I didn't know about
-scm but, hey, you learn something new every day; anyhow I'm not sure
it's makes it inappropriate to discuss.
So to close this in a few words: You walk the walk, you talk the talk.
And I have no intention to read another mail with "what other awesome
thing we can do if we migrate to git and we don't even have to worry
about what it might happen on the serverside because git is just magical
and will sort itself out", okay?
OK, also agreed that git lacks entirely in magical properties -- I
wasn't aware of having said anything suggesting otherwise. I have some
limited experience as a git admin and am aware of git's considerable
limitations with respect to provisioning, security configuration,
scalability and other non-optional features for a public-facing
deployment. There is more to be said on the matter but I'll take that
to -scm.
Anyhow, I get it: administering the vcs for a huge project such as
Gentoo is very hard work. If I somehow gave some other impression, I'm
sorry. Perhaps Rich and I insensitively voiced our shared assumption
that Gentoo's continued reliance on cvs stems from a lack of motivation
and consensus, rather than a shortage of labor and resources. Then
again, if the folks in the trenches doing the work think I've slighted
them, surely they are perfectly capable of chewing me out on their own
behalfs and don't need you to do it for them?
I'm not looking for a fight, but after reading the above and some other
remarks in this thread, by you and others, I did want to at least
clarify my position: No, of course I couldn't possibly know all the
repercussions of a change like this, but I also find it difficult to
believe that whatever hurdles exist are so intractable that we'd might
as well just throw in the towel. Although I regret any bad feelings I
may have caused, I stand by my statements. To be clear, the "magic" of
the Gentoo community -- not git -- is what I believe will make this
doable, and yes, I appreciate that that "magic" is actually just a lot
of people doing a lot of nasty, thankless chores.
As for the whole put-up/shut-up business, I'd be happy to help out any
way I can (although tbh I'd still say whatever was on my mind even if I
was too busy). I'll contact Infrastructure to make sure they're aware
of me.
-gmt
