On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:54:07 William Hubbs wrote: > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 01:34:36PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Wednesday 24 April 2013 13:23:23 William Hubbs wrote: > > > The issue is that OpenRC does not have any kind of dependency on > > > gentoo-oldnet at all. There will be a separate loopback script in > > > OpenRC so it is possible to run OpenRC on a system without the oldnet > > > or newnet scripts. In fact, this is a completely valid configuration. > > > > > > OpenRC doesn't "link" to gentoo-oldnet in any way, so there is no > > > dependency. > > > > > > The way I read the dev manual [1], a newsitem and postinst messages are > > > the way to go for somethinglike this. > > > > it is reasonable to expect openrc updates to *not* break a system. that > > means people shouldn't be required to read a news/postinst message to > > keep from killing things. > > > > even then, a default Gentoo system should have networking support > > available by default. our manuals assume this, and people shouldn't > > have to install a stage3 and then do `emerge gentoo-oldnet` just to have > > that happen. so keeping a dependency in openrc (perhaps initially hard, > > or behind IUSE=+oldnet) makes sense. > > I was planning on opening a bug before all of this hit stable to have > releng add gentoo-oldnet to the stages when it does hit stable.
"adding to the stages" isn't a magic incantation :). it's either part of @system, or it's a dependency in a package that is part of @system. i don't think adding it straight to @system makes sense, and i don't think there's really an existing dependency other than openrc where this would be appropriate. > if we keep a dependency for a while, even behind something like > IUSE="+oldnet", when we drop it, people will still be hit if they do > emerge --depclean before they emerge gentoo-oldnet. i don't think we should drop it. openrc is logically the best place imo. i understand your position that openrc works just fine w/out these scripts. but i don't think that pure logical distinction is really necessary here. if people really truly don't want it, they have a USE flag to turn it off. -mike
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