On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 09:52:29AM -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 9:27 AM, <waltd...@waltdnes.org> wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:09:58AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote > >> On 09 Feb 2016 22:39, Duncan wrote: > >> > Mike Frysinger posted on Tue, 09 Feb 2016 14:26:52 -0500 as excerpted: > >> > > On 08 Feb 2016 13:46, Micha?? Górny wrote: > >> > >> I'm strongly against this, because: > >> > > > >> > > agreed. i also don't see any reasons in Patrick's e-mail to suggest > >> > > the > >> > > current default is inadequate. "i don't like upstream" isn't relevant. > >> > > >> > I'd agree, except that the way we're running udev is strongly discouraged > >> > and generally not supported by upstream, with a statement that it /will/ > >> > break in the future, it's simply a matter of time. > >> > >> start a thread then when that actually happens > > > > The problem with that approach is that all at once the Gentoo forum > > will be hit with questions by a whole bunch of people who will have to > > migrate to either eudev or systemd on a short deadline. As the old > > saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I believe > > that the best way to handle a crisis is to prevent it in the first > > place. That means getting into a lifeboat before standalone udev sinks. > > > > What would force them to migrate all at once? Even if udev-229 > doesn't work standalone, udev-228 will work standalone forever, and > patches could always be backported if there were some security crisis. > > By all means change the virtual if it is the right thing to do, but I > don't think that we should treat this as some kind of risk that could > cause problems for us without warning. Most likely if a need to > abandon it comes up we'll have months of warning, with still-working > versions of udev not even marked stable yet in the pipeline. > > As I said earlier, the advantage of procrastination is that you can > make a choice later when you have better information or perhaps even > more choices available. Maybe by the time udev stops working > standalone everybody has seen the light and is now using libredev > anyway. > > Often the decision to procrastinate is a decision that is rewarded. > That should be considered carefully.
+ 10000. I also saw another issue that made me shudder. If we change the default to eudev, people who are running separate /usr are going to think they can kill their initramfs's, because people in gentoo conflated the separate /usr and initramfs issue with udev [1]. William [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573760#C4
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