-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 02/10/2016 05:15 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 10/02/16 12:09 PM, Brian Dolbec wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:26:12 -0600 William Hubbs >> <willi...@gentoo.org> wrote: > > >>>> Often the decision to procrastinate is a decision that is >>>> rewarded. That should be considered carefully. >>> >>> + 10000. >>> >>> I also saw another issue that made me shudder. If we change the >>> default to eudev, people who are running separate /usr are >>> going to think they can kill their initramfs's, because people >>> in gentoo conflated the separate /usr and initramfs issue with >>> udev [1]. >>> >>> William >>> >>> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573760#C4 > >> That isn't a worthwhile reason to procrastinate. IMO we're going >> to get those _ANYWAY_ no matter how long we wait, within reason >> of course. > >> There will always be users that can't read/type/whatever and >> fail and file bugs. > >> So if we have to wait for one (or more) users to forget about the >> initramfs crud & confusion, we'll be waiting 20 years. By then >> even systemd will have been replaced by something else... > > > > Yeah I second this -- it was decided officially by council (what, > 2 years ago now?) that separate-/usr-without-initramfs doesn't need > to be officially supported anymore, and so if things break that it > is up to end-users to ensure they pick up the pieces. > > Although it is likely that eudev *will* keep installation onto / > and out of /usr to help with this not-officially-supported > situation in Gentoo, that doesn't mean the other projects have to > stay out of /usr, and "it worked before the upgrade but doesn't > now" certainly doesn't mean it's a valid bug. If a user or > sysadmin drops their initramfs when they have a separate-/usr > system, any resulting breakage is on them. >
+1 - -- Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net fpr: AE03 9064 AE00 053C 270C 1DE4 6F7A 9091 1EA0 55D6 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWu+NnAAoJEAEkDpRQOeFw/YsQAMFID91JxR9xNYhZ3o6yDb3B nha3mIgYbkFuQ4LtBQGFZo5r4NzW7tlre6Jc+Rw3nErej59HmasuQQrpZI0alBYA SMhtlTlfz5B3fWZ2lWTBAQZcPp3mBUVHRFGOAqWNxYIHbRkqiBjLhR98xzrsJLOb JOfDuHRWaXi8XELebEVhH99UgAezQOtwMQyKi79jkTSkVlSdw+rLfJn4e56QzVdU UTRgbVmxTgVlHw2y0GLgSCWGS7UxXaXGp5Bds8sM1nDq/YtEZBnd5M8ApMRPneLo CjIdtwueTgDkZsVH/KBNJMXz0u6383nN7I96Hsp19046M9AEHpvvitQH7Sxv7Dye agr1YMqSar/uYQltW94qjKG9bR6HzN9YEBtwUxpbUM4FcibcgXlfdW8eBAhwAXaX xVC3KD4XJzZbRa65kouiYLBNDm6uY7af8ehF7r0ZEn2iZTzDi2UH4GAbczM+y1om jDWq7q5H4Mfiq17bz/n8f3Q7qW+SBY4WY1fTQefYYTLNoK2OPTABNYxg6Oko+M8/ dUJNWSV3+henEsaeRUo/sM6G+zw6pQSJubbwPc65756U6r2nYtDjEO6ebPknD504 qhywzdVLMNZh6C14gxQjgI8SkDY5Rl5eexbUDDzOjZI5eM1CxNO3gSTic6+LjiOi SmUwjZD6f618Xg2MQjPR =d5dN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
