On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 11:38:36PM +0200, Jaco Kroon wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > On 2020/08/08 22:57, William Hubbs wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 08, 2020 at 09:17:20PM +0100, Roy Bamford wrote: > >> On 2020.08.08 19:51, William Hubbs wrote: > >>> All, > >>> > >>> I would like to propose that we switch the default udev provider on > >>> new > >>> systems from eudev to udev. > >>> > >>> This is not a lastrites, and it will not affect current systems since > >>> they have to migrate manually. Also, this change can be overridden at > >>> the profile level if some profile needs eudev (the last time I > >>> checked, > >>> this applies to non-glibc configurations). > >>> > >>> What do people think? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> William > >>> > >>> > >> > >> William, > >> > >> With the declared aim from upstream of making udev inseparable from > >> systemd, its not something to be done lightly. > >> That's the entire reason that eudev was necessary. > > > > Eudev never became necessary unless you are using a non-glibc system, > > and as I said, this can be handled in the profiles. > > Udev runs completely fine without systemd, so I fail to see how eudev > > is necessary for most of Gentoo. > > It actually works is enough reason for me. Was forced to migrate a > bunch of systems not six months back from systemd-udev to eudev because > systemd-udev is absolutely terrible w.r.t. race conditions resulting in > lockups that kept forcing us into manual intervention situations. > Mostly on systems with LVM. I don't exactly know what your situation is, but as I said, this proposal wouldn't affect your systems. I'm not talking about lastrites for eudev, just making it the default for new installs.
> I'm completely against the proposal. > > >> I would want some convincing that it was not another step on the road > >> to Gentoo being assimilated by systemd. > >> > >> We had this discussion several years ago when the default became > >> eudev. What's changed? > > > > If systemd folks do make udev inseparable from systemd, then we would > > need eudev to be the default, but as I see it right now, there is not > > a case for it being the default. > > Other than that it works and the systemd version does not. Might be > configuration dependent, but I don't expect a default udev > configuration/system side to not cause LVM breakages when running > commands as simple as "lvs". eudev in coparison just works. I don't know what is going on with your systems, but I suspect possible configuration dependence. When are the breakages happening-- just at random or during bootup? William > > > > Another thing to consider is bus factor (eudev is maintained by one > > person primarily, so I have doubts about its viability as the default. > > Yes, this is a problem. > > Kind Regards, > Jaco > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEyyCUcKjG7P5BDam8CC3Esa/37p4FAl8vG1AACgkQCC3Esa/3 > 7p7Yvgf6Apoi1oCUKSyLEvH8fAEgbMIODULJAZx5+/C1dbROdjkWEzTTp3pNjWiQ > u8S2qz3xmh9QmKBwTAxB38U/gqXVRpF+xYfSF7K/CDUVcfAg5ViTL3W7YeJMPFNa > Jk8BgrarAc1Ln8OXCJ37Gf0eeuyBTsQQQ5qqubzNjdLBhrZegWY57gElrItE0Ywb > IjVBUO4QX3PSoOpZ5UlIo8Ioh+8ANXc/ADg7wASVQkd3dciyewZasZho/q6cNn6W > c44aMNFRTeiUfcK4+bpGMslq70y7D7JITkjkP+9e68e8wkh93L8fVs4BszBYEtUY > G6IXc4QtJ5Jf3bQRbyCnGcFYXrSLgg== > =rF5/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >
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