On Sunday 22 June 2003 21:32, Zack Gilburd wrote:
> On Sunday 22 June 2003 11:35, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sunday 22 June 2003 09:52, Zack Gilburd wrote:
> > > I *think* that gcc-3.3 was mistakenly unmasked by drobbins.
> > >
> > > avenj also said the tree is VERY unready for gcc-3.3.
> > >
> > > Also, I think env-update'ing would have been a better choice.
> >
> > I am using gcc 3.3 for some time now.
> >
> > I compiled everything, XFREE, glibc, KDE, perl, python, kernel, xine,
> > mplayer... with gcc 3.3 and have NO problems since than.
> >
> > gcc 3.3 is a lot faster than gcc 3.2 and I have less stability problems
> > with the same CFLAGS.
> >
> > Gl�ck Auf
> > Volker
> >
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> This is so wrong, I don't know where to begin.  For one, it's a FACT that
> compiling a kernel takes roughly 3x longer than it did with 2.95.x.  Not
> only does it take longer, but the end kernel comes out about 200KB larger.
> Also...

3.0.X was horrible slow, and 3.1 and .3.2 are not better, but gcc 3.3 is in my 
humple experience the fastest of the gcc-3.x line.
It is still slower than 2.95.X but I don't care for such an old compiler. I 
compared to 3.2.x.

> [18:42:39] <avenj> drobbins: did you intend to mark gcc-3.3 ~x86 and unmask
> it?
> [18:42:48] <avenj> the tree is definitely not very gcc-3.3 ready
>
> That was yesterday.  No offense, but I am going to go what with avenj, a
> highly respected and veteran Gentoo dev, over what two ML posters say.

I do not recommend gcc 3.3, infact, I am the 'guinea pig' of some friends with 
gentoo-boxes. I am bleeding edge, they watch my suffering and decide, what 
they want to try, after a loooooong time of considering... 

> You guys can risk your systems however you would like, but I won't take my
> chances.  Not to mention that if you upgrade glibc (and gcc AFAIK), you CAN
> NOT downgrade.

I had latest glibc with gcc 3.2.3 when I decided to switch over.
I read the bugs related to gcc 3.3 and saw, that all problems there where 
related to -O3.
No problem, I never use -O3, because this was not very stable with gcc 3.2, 
3.1 and 3.0.

KDE 3.1.2 is stable (except one javascrip bug), XFree is stable, my kernels 
are not crashing, I am able to use xine, ut2003-demo and xmms, I am burning 
cds, watching tv, using licq, playing lgeneral ( a crash and quitting, was 
there with former gcc too). 

I rebuild whole KDE 3.1.2 in less time with gcc 3.3 , than kdelibs-3.1.2 and 
kdebase-3.1.2 with gcc-3.2.3

Yes, there are some problems.
To emerge alsa, I have to edit 
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/compile.h

and nvidia-kernel-tarball needed a little edit, but that were all problems I 
had.

Maybe a lot of apps out there are very unstable with gcc-3.3, maybe I don't 
have these apps installed, or I am simple a lucky sod.

And this are my CFLAGS:

CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe -mmmx -m3dnow -msse -mfpmath=sse 
-fomit-frame-pointer -ftracer"

(could be reduced ot -march=athlon-xp -O2 -mfpmath=sse -ftracer 
-fomit-frame-pointer -pipe, I think, but I am too lazy to touch 
/etc/make.conf)

Gl�ck Auf
Volker


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