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On Sunday 09 November 2003 23:05, Azhdeen wrote:
> the idea with Gentoo is that "I" play the installer, no ?
Nope, the idea with Gentoo is a distribution which gives you the tools to do
what you want.
Attached is a posting from Daniel Robbins which should clarify.
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I should have posted this to gentoo-dev in the first place (was posted to
-core,) so here goes...
On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 12:12, Sven Vermeulen wrote:
> Don't take this personally, but - just to make my mind clear - can't we
> (well, Gentoo that is) make a statement on what we want to achieve?
I'll try to spell it out for you with a bit of Gentoo history.
I created Gentoo because I couldn't find a Linux distribution that I
liked. The one predominant thing that I experienced with Linux
distributions is that the "distro tools" that managed the entire system
-- the tools that were supposed to make everything *easier* to use --
really seemed to want a lot of attention and really got in the way of
what I wanted to do. I wanted to tell *them* what I wanted to do, but
they seemed more interested in telling *me* what *they* wanted me to do.
So, I created Gentoo Linux, and designed Portage to be a more perfect
tool than what had existed before it. To do this, I made it very
flexible in allowing me to do what I wanted to do, and also tried to
make it flexible to allow others to do what I thought they might want to
do.
If others wanted to see how a package got built, they could look at a
relatively easy-to-understand ebuild file and learn from it. If they
wanted to tweak how it got built, they took advantage of USE variables.
If they wanted to add a package, they created a new ebuild for the tree.
If they wanted to use a package, they simply emerged it and dependencies
were automatically resolved.
People liked the Portage concept, and Gentoo Linux grew rapidly. We have
become known as a "from source" distribution, but the heart of the
Gentoo concept is not "from source." "From source" is an important and
key aspect of Gentoo, and something that was and will continue to be
necessary for Gentoo, but it is not the only issue or most fundamental
issue. The most fundamental issue is designing a technology that allows
us and others to do what they want to do, without restriction.
To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a
Linux system. What does he or she want do to? The Gentoo philosophy is
to allow this user to do what he or she wants to do, without getting in
the way.
At around the time Gentoo was born, the thing that got in the way was
the lack of an easy way to build packages from source, to a user's
specifications. Currently, we've done that very well, but what we
haven't done very well is support pre-built packages, even though
Portage has supported building binary packages almost since its
inception. So we are doing that now. It's important that our tools
support binary packages, because binary packages are widely used and
widely in demand in the Linux community. If our tools don't support
binary packages, then we can't claim that our tools are designed to
allow a user to do anything he or she might want to do. If we purposely
choose to exclude binary support, then we are attempting to interfere
with how users might choose to approach particular problems, by instead
imposing our own will or view of how they should approach a problem. And
if we do not build binary packages, then we are not taking any steps to
ensure that our tools actually work well with binary packages, nor are
we taking steps to ensure that others can build binary packages, nor are
we able to *demonstrate* that our tools work well with binary packages.
Besides these philisophical reasons, there are many practical reasons to
create binary packages.
The Gentoo philosophy, in a paragraph, is this. Every user has work they
need to do. The goal of Gentoo is to design tools and systems that allow
a user to do their work pleasantly and efficiently as possible, as
*they* see fit. Our tools should be a joy to use, and should help the
user to appreciate the richness of the Linux and free software
community, and the flexibility of free software. This is only possible
when the tool is designed to reflect and transmit the will of the user,
and leave the possibilities open as to the final form of the raw
materials (the source code.) If the tool forces the user to do things a
particular way, then the tool is working against, rather than for, the
user. We have all experienced situations where tools seem to be imposing
their respective wills on us. This is backwards, and contrary to the
Gentoo philosophy.
Put another way, the Gentoo philosophy is to create better tools. When a
tool is doing its job perfectly, you might not even be very aware of its
presence, because it does not interfere and make its presence known, nor
does it force you to interact with it when you don't want it to. The
tool serves the user rather than the user serving the tool.
The future goal of Gentoo is to continue to strive to create near-ideal
tools. Tools that can accomodate the needs of many different users (all
with divergent goals) with ease are extremely powerful. Don't you love
it when you find a tool that does exactly what you want to do? Doesn't
it feel great? Our mission is to give that sensation to as many people
as possible.
It's fun to do this by creating a distribution from existing
freely-available code, like we are, because you can often give people
great satisfaction just by unlocking some of the coolness that has
already been created by someone else, just by making it more accessible.
Hope that helps,
Daniel
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