Actually, no I don't know that. I found the instructions good and usuable - I followed them and it worked. I use it, too as do most of us. I don't know what typical OS you used but on Windows, VMS, Unix, Linux I found books to read and asked about other sources of info to help me administer them - even on Windows which installs easily but when you have to administer or maintain it it is no different. If you're running a business you have two choices
1 do it yourself and spend the time to learn - even with windows. No matter what OS you are going to have to learn it if you run your business on it. 2 hire somebody to do it. In this case you don't have to worry about learning it. However, if you're going to do this I'd make sure they used Linux to setup my business systems. If you have specific suggestions file bugs on bugzilla. I know they would be gladd to hear them. Tell them where you found it diffcult or hard to understand. It may be also that Gentoo isn't for you - get RH or another distro. With RH you'll have to learn it to or buy the Enterprise and pay for support. On Sunday 09 November 2003 22:08, you wrote: > Bottom line: Gentoo's reputation is good... but definitely hampered by what > is generally regarded as a difficult install. You know that. > > Now rather than do something, per se, the typical OS dev will point to > various reference material to "learn". They'll talk about how that's a > good thing. They'll want the users to share in and relish their hobby. > > Excuse me... this isn't a hobby for me. I want to minimize the learning > curve so as to "use" it (reread Gentoo's philosophy). > > Bottom line: the install is difficult, and unnecessarily so. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brett I. Holcomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 8:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies > > I think if you look carefully you'll find that these fancy GUI installers > and > sysadmin tools really don't help you any. I've used them on some other > distros and found that I didn't have to have any knowledge of what was > happening - I just pointed and clicked and hoped it worked. When it didn't > I > was in trouble - and many times the GUI didn't work. I decided not to use > the GUI but find out how to do it and I've learned a lot - more so than if > I'd stuck with the GUIs. The Gentoo philosophy is to let you do what you > need, It takes an investment of time and effort to learn any OS - even > Windows - and if a person is not willing to make that investment then they > need to stick with the systems that provide the GUIs and not complain about > Gentoo but they will be shortchanging themeselves. > > On Sunday 09 November 2003 20:50, you wrote: > > Yeah, I guess, if you like irony. > > > > Here's a rewrite to the Sven's philospohy: "To summarize the heart of > > Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. He or she > > would > > > love to try Gentoo. But the Gentoo philosophy is to frustrate this user > > with a lot of cryptic technical machinations. Then, as they go away, we > > will be able to think of ourselves as exclusive and pretty smart." > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:34 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies > > > > Sounds about right to me. > > > > brian connolly wrote: > > > In other words "To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user > > > sitting > > > > in > > > > > front of a Linux system. What does he or she want do to? The Gentoo > > > philosophy is to allow this user to do what he or she wants to do, > > > without getting in the way." > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Andrew Gaffney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:08 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] GLIS for dummies > > > > > > GLIS was recently re-written to clean up the code and include a lot of > > > bug fixes. Right > > > now, I'm working on a GUI for GLIS, but it will be a while before its > > > usable. At the > > > moment, GLIS is more for people who have already installed Gentoo and > > > know what they are > > > doing, who just want to automate the install. > > > > > > brian connolly wrote: > > >>Tom, > > >> > > >>Ya think someone might write an IS-GLIS? This is how dumb I am... how > > do > > > >>you install the Gentoo install script? > > >> > > >>Download the latest release... > > >>got it. > > >> > > >>Extract by typing the following: tar xvjpf glis*.tar.bz2 > > >>when, where? > > >> > > >>Run ./glis for directions > > >>what? > > >> > > >>Brian > > >> > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: Tom Wesley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:32 PM > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] looking for gentoo for dummies > > >> > > >>On Sun, 2003-11-09 at 21:07, brian connolly wrote: > > >>>Greetings all, > > >>> > > >>>I've tried seven or more distros in the last week. The conclusion: I > > am > > > >>>really looking for the gentoo philosophy and sophistication. I want a > > >>>platform that is optimized for best practices and best tools. > > >>> > > >>>However, I am a newbie. As hard as I try, I am not going to be able > > >>> to install for the documentation provided. > > >>> > > >>>As such, is there a gentoo version for dummies? Are there any plans > > for > > > a > > > > >>>more automated install script? > > >>> > > >>>Brian Connolly > > >> > > >>As others have suggested, you should probably force yourself to learn, > > >>but you might like to take a look at the Gentoo Linux Install Script at > > >>http://glis.sf.net. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
