On Friday, October 31, 2014 12:37:35 AM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:30 AM, J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org> wrote: > > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 06:31:25 AM Rich Freeman wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 3:56 AM, J. Roeleveld <jo...@antarean.org> wrote: > >> > On Sunday, October 26, 2014 02:16:24 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > >> >> And with systemd, rebooting to a new kernel takes just a few seconds > >> >> ;) > >> > > >> > And here I was thinking that the pro-systemd crowd doesn't care about > >> > the > >> > boot-time of systemd? > >> > (See the " [OT} Linus Torvalds on systemd" thread around 18 - 21 > >> > september) > >> > > >> > Please make up your mind on this. > >> > >> This might come as a bit of a shock, but people use Gentoo for > >> different reasons, run different init systems, different udev > >> implementations, and so on. Well, believe it or not, systemd users > >> are exactly the same way and use different components of systemd for > >> different reasons. People also drive different types of cars, for > >> different reasons. > > > > I agree on this. But in the thread I mentioned, Mark David Dumlao was > > quite > > aggressive in his wording when the subject was brought up and he claimed > > systemd proponents don't care. Canek is the biggest proponent for systemd > > on this list. > > You should have answered then to Mark, not to me, given that I did not > said anything in that sub-thread.
My apologies. > But if it makes you happy, I will try to take notes in the next Big > SystemD Evil Conspiracy Meeting so in the future I do not contradict > any statement from anyone in the Pure Evil Directorate. I knew it! There really is one! :) Thing is, I don't see any benefit, for myself, in systemd. If people want to use it, fine. But, if people are trying to force it upon everyone, then I will have a problem with it. Systemd is, in my opinion, suffering from the same feature-creep as Grub2 does. Grub1 was faster, because it was smaller. But it isn't working propery anymore and Grub2 does its job. I just don't see the point in all the multimedia stuff that was put into a bootloader. I just had a look at the use-flags for systemd, similarly to myself wondering about multimedia support in grub2, I wonder why there is an HTTP-server embedded in journald. I somehow doubt it has any real security on it and I have seen programs write usernames and passwords to stdout/syslog when running with the default log-levels. -- Joost
