On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:35:54 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am 17.12.2016 um 09:53 schrieb Neil Bothwick: > > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 00:55:21 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > Really, no one is forcing you to use anything. If you don't like the > > way particular piece of software is going, you can get a full refund > > and switch to something else. > > Not this argument again. It's the most stupid argument (of a lot of > other stupid ones) which was give most frequently by Poettering and > those Poettering fanboys from the beginning of this systemd crap until - > seemingly - now.
So you don't have a choice? > And yes, it is still crap. Unfortunately I am forced to using it, > because there is no usable distro for the Raspberry Pi which does not > use systemd. I again went into trouble with it, if it's only those > crappy binary log files. It's of course not only the binary log files. I'm running the Debian 7 version of Raspbian on a number of Pis, all without systemd. Yes, I am happy using systemd, but I can't be arsed changing them when they continue to work perfectly well. > For some reason I couldn't boot the Pi anymore. What do you usually do > in such a case? Right! You pull the sd card out of the Pi, mount it on > another computer, and... bang! No log files can't be read, because they > are binary and my Gentoo PC doesn't have systemd - for good reasons. Boot from a live CD, like Ubuntu, and read the journals. There's always a solution that doesn't involve flaming. > Without this systemd crap, with the good old, very well tested system > loggers I would have easily been able to read the the log files and to > fix the problem. When I first tried systemd, I wasn't confident of my ability to work with the journal, so I installed syslog-ng and had traditional log files alongside the journal. In fact I ran it like that for quite some because the log monitor I was using didn't work with the journal. > Regarding this really stupid decision of Mozilla's to only support > PulseAudio... > PulseAudio still doesn't work with (semi-)professional audio cards. It > never did, I don't use Firefox or semi-professional audio hardware, so I won't comment on this. > Just forgot to ask. Tell me how to easily get rid of systemd on - say - > Arch Linux, Debian, OpenSUSE, Redhat, Fedora, Ubuntu and its > derivatives. And how do I get rid of systemd on my Raspberry Pi? With Debian, and Raspbian, just use version 7. It's Debian so it will be supported for years to come. Or you could run Gentoo on your Pi. > You said no one is forcing me to use this systemd crap. They're not. You are assuming you have to use it because you don't see an alternative. > So tell me how I > get a full refund for systemd and how to switch to something usable. I've answered the latter, your refund is attached :) > You said it's possible and easily done and I'm not forced to using it. I never said it was easy. -- Neil Bothwick I am McCoy of Bo...Damnit! I'm a doctor, not a collective!
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