Sorry, I shouldn't have said, "Here we go again", as that can be antogonizing, which doesn't help anything. :(
On 1/7/06, Trenton Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First off all, the install process is only a portion of making gentoo > *easier*. At it is kind of a tangent to the original discussion. > But, none the less, it is a good discussion. > > On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Trenton Adams schreef: > > > Interesting points, but > > > > > > On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote: > > >> > > >>> I like both that my car just works, and I don't have to know how > > >>> the pistons go up and down, but that I can also look under the > > >>> hood if I so desire. > > >>> > > >> > > >> Thinking on the wrong lines again and what you want can never > > >> happen, at least with Gentoo; because Gentoo does not give you a > > >> working car at all. It just gives you spare parts (ebuilds & > > >> packages), books to read (documentation) and a tool box (portage). > > >> Then it tells you to go ahead and make your own car. It totally > > >> depends on you whether you want to make it a blazing fast Ferrari > > >> or a classy Limo. To achieve anything of that sorts you *HAVE TO* > > >> know how the pistons go up and down. If you don't read and just put > > >> together the pieces in a random order then you might make a moving > > >> car but it will not be a working one. Moral of the story? To have > > >> full control, you gotta know how things work inside the engine :) > > > > > > > > > Well actually, it could happen. If I had a menu of packages to be > > > installed during some sort of automated install process, then I'm > > > still customizing my system the way I want. So once again, you > > > absolutely *CAN* have gentoo flexibility with easy of install > > > > Just a quick question: > > > > Isn't creating "a menu of packages to be installed" part of the install > > process? > > > > If not, because you did not create this menu yourself, then you are not > > "customizing your system the way you want", but rather choosing the most > > suitable for you amongst a list of pre-defined-- thus, by definition, > > limiting-- options. > > Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu? Give > a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want > to do extra packages, or whatever. Or, even provide a dynamically > extendable menu that can grab packages lists from other places, from > another CD, floppy, Internet, etc. So, to not provide a menu would be > *limiting* as well. But I do agree with you Holly, that providing > *only* a *predefined* graphical menu for package installation would be > limiting. > > Now, I'm just brain storming here... > > Wouldn't it be beneficial to provide automated graphical installs for > gentoo, but provide the option to open a graphical shell at *all* > stages of the installation process? Wouldn't that be ultimate > flexibility? I read about the new graphical install for gentoo, and > perhaps it already does this!?!? > > > > > If you did create the menu of packages yourself, and it then is (as it > > must be) considered part of the installation process, then isn't the > > installation process no longer "easy", by your definition of "easy"? > > Well, this is a side tangent, given my reply just above. None the > less, all of *my* installs from the point after I created my *own* > menu would be easy. > > > > > Not quite following the logic here. > > > > Holly > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
