> > > Your statement "it seems like running SSH inside a VPN is better
> > > for security than running SSH on a non-standard port" is
> > > non-sensical. From a security and encryption perspective, ssh and
> > > OpenVPN are exactly the same thing - stuff wrapped in an encryption
> > > layer provided by ssl, complete with exactly the same key setup
> > > should you choose to use that route.
> >
> > Perhaps confusingly, ssh itself can be used to create openVPN-like
> > VPNs (actually, much simpler), using the -w option and a couple of
> > tun (or tap) interfaces on the connected computers.
>
> hehehe, I'd forgetten about that one for a bit :-)
>
> I just thought of a nice way to describe the difference (seeing as
> technically they are essentially equivalent):
>
> Use SSH if you need a quick ad-hoc connection or something temporary.
> Use OpenVPN if you need something more permanent that is always prsent
> and just works.

I need temporary, but automated.  Can an ssh tunnel be set up in an
automated way?

- Grant
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