James, Everything unfortunately is a long uphill slog because everybody is very busy and enamored with their own beliefs and ideas. Also, humans are herd animals and nobody likes to stray too far from the herd for fear that the lions will attack.
The geoengineering google group has a bunch of people some of whom are well-connected and many of whom will be sympathetic to your point of view. I would try that path. You may find some allies there that will help you to find a broader audience. Best, Ken PS. In the first paragraph above, I am partially describing myself and partially describing my experiences promoting what seemed to me to be good ideas. ___________________________________________________ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA [email protected]; [email protected] http://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/labs/caldeiralab +1 650 704 7212; fax: +1 650 462 5968 On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:57 AM, James Singmaster III < [email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the comment. You have been sounding somewhat concerned and have > some contact with some of the listed. Don't you want to find out if they > are concerned? Most of the people supposedly are involved with various > aspects of global warming. If some scientists do not start speaking up, a > lot of pump-priming money may go to be wasted on "Clean Coal" and Biofuels. > Again thank you for responding. Jim > > On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:14 PM, Ken Caldeira wrote: > > James, >> >> Rather than bombarding a long cc-list with your comments, you should take >> your discussion to the geoengineering google group for comment: >> >> [email protected] >> http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering >> >> Bombarding this group of people with unsolicted email is probably not your >> most effective path forward. >> >> Best, >> >> Ken >> >> ___________________________________________________ >> Ken Caldeira >> >> Carnegie Institution Dept of Global Ecology >> 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA >> >> [email protected]; [email protected] >> http://dge.stanford.edu/DGE/CIWDGE/labs/caldeiralab >> +1 650 704 7212; fax: +1 650 462 5968 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 9:05 PM, James Singmaster III < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: Are scientists just going to keep spinning >>> wheels on global warming with more and more prognostications and charts and >>> calls for more useless measurements without seeing the garbage in their >>> faces? Scientists it seems are more interested still in publishing even if >>> our descendants will be perishing from no real action on global warming, but >>> they will be comforted by the papers that many scientists have published on >>> GW problems without actions, I am sure. Let's get real and get action >>> instead of papermill work by getting what is mainly a great paper pile in >>> organic wastes stopped from reemitting GHGs. >>> I find it hard to believe that no one considered at the G8 meeting >>> last summer that organic wastes and sewage mishandling is the major source >>> of water pollution and attendant diseases. Won't some of you get public >>> consideration of the organic wastes and sewage messes as developing into >>> unneeded environmental crises for public health as well as being a >>> controllable source of some unneeded GHG emissions? Dr. J. Singmaster >>> >>> From: James Singmaster III <[email protected]> >>>> Date: January 26, 2009 4:00:29 PM PST >>>> To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >>>> [email protected], Ken Caldeira <[email protected]>, Miguel >>>> Altieri <[email protected]>, [email protected], >>>> [email protected], [email protected], >>>> [email protected], [email protected], >>>> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >>>> [email protected], Burton Richter <[email protected]>, >>>> [email protected], [email protected], Ignacio Chapela < >>>> [email protected]> >>>> Subject: Fwd: SF Chron Headline Today, Jan, 26 on Slowing Warming means >>>> NOTHING---FURTHER UPDATE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: I missed seeing the James Lovelock interview >>>> on line at New Scientist, Jan. 23, in which he said that the only way to >>>> beat global warming was by making charcoal from farm residues without >>>> considering the non-farm organic waste and sewage messes as a source of >>>> biocarbon to be converted to charcoal. Again pyrolyzing those messes has >>>> the big added benefit of destroying germs, toxics and drugs that are >>>> escaping present handling to be causing increasing water pollution >>>> problems. >>>> Dr. J. Singmaster >>>> >>>>> From: James Singmaster III <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: January 26, 2009 9:38:06 AM PST >>>>> To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >>>>> [email protected], Ken Caldeira <[email protected]>, >>>>> Miguel Altieri <[email protected]>, >>>>> [email protected], [email protected], >>>>> [email protected], [email protected], >>>>> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >>>>> [email protected], Burton Richter < >>>>> [email protected]>, Ignacio Chapela < >>>>> [email protected]>, [email protected], [email protected], >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Cc: [email protected], [email protected], >>>>> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], >>>>> [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] >>>>> Subject: SF Chron Headline Today, Jan, 26 on Slowing Warming means >>>>> NOTHING >>>>> >>>>> When will someone wake up that we have to get some reversing of >>>>> warming meaning getting some removal of carbon dioxide from the biosphere. >>>>> I again point to the pyrolysis program that I have sent to most of you as >>>>> being a way to convert some biochemical carbon in organic wastes and >>>>> sewage >>>>> into inert charcoal. Get officials and and others alerted that we are >>>>> already too warming and need more action on whatever means can be >>>>> developed >>>>> to get some actual reduction in our carbon footprint. Slowing warming >>>>> means >>>>> slowing the footprint's growth not shrinking it so worsening warming >>>>> effects >>>>> will continue. Start thinking about your descendants' survival. >>>>> Dr. James Singmaster, Environmental Toxicologist, Ret., Fremont, CA >>>>> (510)797-3790. >>>>> >>>>> > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
