http://www.sunshine-project.org/enmod/popeye
Operation Popeye ceased after it was made public by a Seymour Hersh story in the NY Times in 1972. Treaty discussions in Stockholm had nothing to do with the program. The testimony before Congress in the link above also shows that the Pentagon had no way of verifying the effectiveness of the cloud seeding and what data were obtained on rainfall amounts showed at most a 10% increase for very short periods of time, much of which could also be attributed to natural variability during summer monsoons. They continued the program because they had convinced themselves it worked. They might as well have made Ho Chi Minh voodoo dolls. Some of the testimony from 1974 is rather interesting in light of today's discussions about climate modification. From page 17: Senator Pell (of the famous "Pell Grants"): Which is your office? Colonel Kaehn: I am in the Office of the Director of Defense Research and Engineering. Senator Pell: Are you aware of any other research that we are doing now with regard to other forms of weather modification for military reasons? Colonel Kaehn: No, sir. To the best of my knowledge, the three main thrusts are the cold fog, warm fog and the cumulus cloud work. Senator Pell: You are not working on any of these far out thoughts that have been brought out in testimony before? You are not working on any of these projects at this time? Colonel Kaehn: No, sir. Senator Pell: The development of typhoons or the creation of earthquakes or the melting of the Greenland Ice Cap, anything of that sort? Colonel Kaehn: No, sir. (this guy's got the No, sir down pat). Senator Pell: Obviously melting the Greenland Ice Cap would be very disadvantageous for us. Mr. Doolin (Deputy Asst. Sec'y of Defense for SE Asia): That would really be what you would call climate modification rather than weather modification. Senator Pell. Exactly. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Salter" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 7:08 AM Subject: [geo] Make mud not war > > Hi All > > But if you check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye > you will see that from 1967 to 1972 the USAF flew 2600 missions to > extend the duration of the monsoon over the Ho Chi Minh trail. > > During a short attachment to the USAF I formed the impression that their > technical grip was not outstanding but it is hard to see that they would > have gone on for so long if it was having no effect. They only stopped > because of an update to the Geneva Convention. > > Stephen > > > Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design > School of Engineering and Electronics > University of Edinburgh > Mayfield Road > Edinburgh EH9 3JL > Scotland > tel +44 131 650 5704 > fax +44 131 650 5702 > Mobile 07795 203 195 > [email protected] > http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~shs > > > > Alvia Gaskill wrote: >> Dust off your tinfoil hats and lock the door. The aptly named "That's >> Impossible" series on the History Channel has struck gold again, this >> time with a paranoid buffet of non existent weather weapons. Included >> in this treatment of the dark side of meteorology are tsunamis and >> earthquakes, which have nothing to do with the weather. Preceding >> this uplifting tribute to future science is the equally inspiring >> "Last Days on Earth." And they did such a good job on the moon >> landing retrospective. >> >> http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=464914 >> <http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=464914> >> >> >> >> That's Impossible >> >> >> Episode: Weather Warfare >> >> Tuesday, July 21 10:00 PM >> >> Wednesday, July 22 02:00 AM >> >> Saturday, July 25 04:00 PM >> >> The power to use tornados, hurricanes and the deadliest weather as >> weapons of war may now be possible. We'll investigate reports that >> weather weapons are in development and reveal the technology that--in >> the future--could turn hurricanes, earthquakes, even tsunamis into >> some of the most powerful and plausibly deniable weapons of mass >> destruction the world has ever seen. >> >> Rating: TVPG >> <http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=464914#> >> >> Running Time: 60 minutes >> >> >> > > > -- > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
