Hi Manu, There's a lot of wishful thinking going on. Hence all the articles whose titles include phrases like "storm in a teacup". The science is pretty clear that glaciers are retreating dramatically, almost everywhere. See:
http://www.geo.unizh.ch/wgms/mbb/mbb9/sum06.html Dr Pachauri is almost certainly correct in his defence of the science, against those wishful thinkers who would like to think that the Earth system is in a stable condition so "why the fuss". In truth the Earth system has been knocked out of stability by a ginormous injection of CO2 - it is now at a level not seen for 15 million years. http://climate.ucla.edu/news/article.asp?parentid=4676 Cheers, John --- ----- Original Message ----- From: David Schnare To: Manu Sharma Cc: Geoengineering Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [geo] Saving the Tibetan Glaciers Manu, et al.: The IPCC AR4 report on loss of Himalayan Glaciers by 2035 is a complete error. The original source of the number offered the year 2350, and only if one expected a runaway climate catastrophy. If you would like to read a simple explanation of how the mistake was made and why we can expect no meaningful impact on the Ganges, take a look at this article in the Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/commons/readerblogs/atmosphere.html?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=54e0b21f-aaba-475d-87ab-1df5075ce621&plckPostId=Blog%3a54e0b21f-aaba-475d-87ab-1df5075ce621Post%3aa2b394cc-5b5f-47ad-8bb5-c1aec91409ad&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest If you want the more technical report, see Madhav Khandekar's posting at: http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/global-warming-and-glacier-melt-down-debate-a-tempest-in-a-teapot/ Cheers, d. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Manu Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:26 PM, David Schnare <[email protected]> wrote: According to the Indian glacier experts, the glaciers are experiences a net gain at the moment, and have been stable (not shrinking) for the past several years. No, not experts. Just one individual's non-peer reviewed analysis that R K Pachauri labelled baseless the day it was released. The individual who published this is a retired head of Geological Survey of India. The Ministry of Environment in India published his "findings" to gain support for its claim that studies published in the West on Himalayan melt are not very accurate and there's no cause for alarm. Lonnie Thompson responded to the news here. Manu -- David W. Schnare Center for Environmental Stewardship -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en.
