Hi Albert,

You probably made a better forecast than anybody else about the time of the sea ice summer disappearance. If you look at the sea ice volume trend [1] you'll see a graph with anomaly growing past "-10" on the scale. But if you work out the figures, the 1979 start at "+5" represents the 20.77 thousand km-3; and the "-10" represents 5.77 thousand km-3 of sea ice left. Just below the bottom of the graph is "-15", which represents practically no sea ice left at all. An extrapolation of the trend curve to the "-15" line suggests that _the sea ice will be gone by 2015_, even if there is a recovery in volume this year (which seems unlikely).

Couple that with the danger from methane, especially from the East Siberian Arctic Shelf [2], and we have a global catastrophe staring us in the face.

Now, does anybody seriously think we should wait any longer to try cooling the Arctic by geoengineering?

One form of geoengineering which might help would seem to be the diversion of Siberian rivers away from the Arctic ocean, as proposed by yourself, Victor Dukhovny and others [3]. I'd appreciate Victor's comments on methane implications of such action, as suggested in [2]. But there could be a negative impact, if the effect of removing fresh water inhibits the formation of sea ice. There was one talk at EGU suggesting that the flooding from Lake Agassiz northwestwards into the Arctic ocean actually allowed sea ice to reform, which caused the start of the Younger Dryas cool period.

Another idea, suggested to me at the EGU meeting this week, is to drain the pools in areas of Arctic tundra. Collectively these pools contain vast quantities of organic material liable to produce methane as ice cover disappears. Once drained these pockets can become productive (typically of stagnum moss) and can drawdown CO2 to become an effective carbon sink for the planet.

Delaying geoengineering is like waiting for your appendix to burst before going to hospital. I nearly died from a burst appendix while on holiday in Norway, where they don't allow you into hospital without a doctor's referral, except for heart attacks! Ouch!

Cheers,

John

[1] http://www.newscientist.com/data/images/archive/2775/27751301.jpg

[2] http://symposium.serdp-estcp.org/content/download/8914/107496/version/1/file/1A_Shakhova_Final.pdf
Thanks to Andrew Lockley for this reference.

[3] http://groups.google.com/group/climateintervention/browse_thread/thread/af331f30cdc2272f

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On 08/04/2011 17:59, Veli Albert Kallio wrote:
*/Hi Alastair,/*

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Back in 2005 I forecasted that the Arctic Ocean would become ice free around the time the decade changes. Back in 1980's I was in school and told that the anthropogenic greenhouse gas load (carbon dioxide) would start melting the Arctic Ocean sea ice cover in summers sometime around the year 3500. In February 2007 the Arctic Council's new Arctic Impact Report forecasted the melt away of the Arctic Ocean sea ice occurring in summers around year 2150. In no case, it was said, the Arctic Ocean would see its ice melting away earlier than summers between year 2070 and 2100. At World Water Week 2006 I repeated my forecast that 2010's would see ice-free Arctic Ocean. Yet, in May 2007 these Arctic Council figures of year 2150 were still repeated. But in August 2007 60% of the Arctic Ocean melted away. So, by nature I am not trusting these climate models that always give so much time to allow us sort out ourselves.

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/Kind regards,/

*Albert*

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