My Clive Confusion continues. He doesn't think we can be trusted to research and manage climate manipulation, but thinks we have to investigate and evaluate SRM?
I understand (but don't agree with) the view that we can't be trusted to employ geoengineering but we will definitely do it sometime in the next few decades out of desperation, but this seems to go beyond that. On Friday, May 10, 2013 1:50:52 AM UTC-4, Greg Rau wrote: > > Thanks for the warning, Andrew, but I risked going anyway without my body > guards, and glad I did. The chem trail folks were indeed there and at times > voiced their agitation over perceived major sky hacking already ongoing, > but neither Ken nor Clive accommodated their fears. I think the debate > really boiled down to whether or not humans can be trusted with researching > and managing climate manipulation. Clive's view seems to be "no". On the > other hand, he made a startling prediction that, given the relatively low > cost, he anticipated that SRM will be done in 30-40 years by one or more > developing countries desperate to counter the climate change wreaked on > them by the developed world's CO2. That seems an admission that more > conventional actions won't work by then, and argues that in the meantime > nations must come together to scientifically evaluate whether or not SRM is > a viable, safe option before rogue states take matters into their own > hands. Ken did a good job in arguing for a rational, open evaluation of > the technology and in defusing the "Dr. Strangelove" persona that the > chemtrailers were expecting. > Anyway, I think it was an informative evening for the audience, and Earth > Island Institute is to be commended for bravely hosting discussion on this > important topic. It was nearly a full house; I'd say there were 90 people > in attendance. Anyone else from this list? > > Greg > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Andrew Lockley <[email protected] <javascript:>> > *To:* geoengineering <[email protected] <javascript:>>; Ken > Caldeira <[email protected] <javascript:>> > *Sent:* Mon, May 6, 2013 12:47:46 AM > *Subject:* [geo] SECURITY UPDATE : Chemtrails/conspiracy rally planned > for 'Hack the Sky' Caldeira talk. > > Poster's note : see bottom of below piece for info on rally. Suggest that > any well known researchers avoid the area. May be worth asking police to > attend. I would advise searching audience for concealed arms before > allowing entry. > > > http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2013-05-03/article/41048?headline=Hack-the-Sky---Vivian-Warkentin > > Public Comment > > New: Hack the Sky? > > Vivian Warkentin > Sunday May 05, 2013 - 05:54:00 PM > > On May 9th, 7:00PM at the Brower Center, 2150 Allston way in Berkeley, > corporate, billionaire- backed geoengineer, Ken Caldiera will be laying out > the scientists' plans to mitigate global warming by blocking sunlight from > the earth with chemical jet aerosols, such as sulphur dioxide and aluminum > oxide dust. Earth Island Institute, the sponsor of this debate, is calling > the event, "Hack the Sky?" An ethicist, not a scientist, has been chosen to > debate Caldiera. Is the Earth Island Institute telling us there are no > scientific arguments against this scheme? Arguments like: These chemical > dusts will fall to earth to be absorbed and breathed by humans and all > living things. The sun gives the earth life. Sunlight is necessary for > plants to perform photosynthesis which takes carbon out of the atmosphere. > The sun is the source of vitamin D required for human health. I for one, > would like to hear from some forestry scientists, soil scientists, ocean > scientists, biologists, botanists, entomologists, and non corporate > atmospheric scientists. It is time for those who truly care about the > environment to question blind trust in scientists and for that matter > established environmental organizations. Science at our Universities is > sponsored and directed by corporations now. Corporations have discovered > that the best way to control environmentalists is to fund them. It seems > that the "neo" environmentalists are running the environmental wing of the > global war on terror, scaring us into all sorts of banker, developer, > corporation, scientist enriching schemes ala "disaster capitalism". I know > there are plenty of well meaning caring people working with these groups, > but has fear numbed their critical thinking? Geoengineering is massive > pollution of the earth and it's inhabitants, and nothing less than the > corporate scientific takeover of our greatest commons, our sky and > atmosphere, natural weather and climate. It needs to be noted that the > description of geoengineering matches what many already regularly observe > in our skies. Please show up for this discussion on a subject that has been > mostly hidden from the public. There will be an educational rally and march > opposing geoengineering beginning at 6:00pm corner of Oxford and University. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
