Ross, I agree with you about the need to focus on facts and ideas and not making snarky remarks about people.
Unfortunately, Clive does himself and the broader discussion a disservice by promulgating an abundance of misinformation. Just grabbing the first thing I could find on the web, he claimed that Bill Gates is an investor in Silver Lining, which is patently untrue. Bill Gates has no investment in Silver Lining. In an earlier email, I noted Clive's propensity to make claims about people's motivations, when he is not in a position to discern their motivation. Clive also wrote "Through Kheshgi, Exxon has begun to influence “independent” reports into geoengineering, such as the 2007 NASA report on solar radiation management organised by Caldeira.". What is the evidence for Exxon's influence in this report? Is it just an assertion, or is there real evidence? I have little desire to get into a discussion fact-checking Clive's every statement, but at least a few of them appear to have little foundation. (Many of them have a ring of "truthiness", in that they are related to true statements. The problem is that they are not in themselves true statements.) We can have our own points of view, but we cannot invent our own facts. Best, Ken PS. An example of "truthiness" might be the assertion of Exxon influenced the 2007 meeting report ( http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20070031204_2007030982.pdf).Haroon Kheshgi was at the meeting, but I do not recall any influence he had in producing the report. Perhaps Clive can enlighten us, and tell us more specifically how Kheshgi influenced this report. _______________ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 [email protected] http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira *Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.* *http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html* Check out the profile of me on NPR's All Things Considered<http://www.npr.org/2013/04/22/176344300/this-scientist-aims-high-to-save-the-worlds-coral-reefs> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Ross Salawitch <[email protected]> wrote: > > Disheartening to read criticism of Clive Hamilton, upon publication of his > op-ed piece in the 26 May 2013 edition of the New York Times. > > > Clive is eminently qualified to write on the topic of geo-engineering of > climate, following the 22 April 2013 publication of his book "Earthmasters: > The Dawn of the Age of Climate Engineering": > > > http://www.amazon.com/Earthmasters-The-Dawn-Climate-Engineering/dp/0300186673 > > This book is very well referenced with citations to enumerable papers > written by those active in this group. Since when has an op-ed piece > contained citations to the peer reviewed literature? (in case it is not > obvious, this is a rhetorical question). Several prior commentors seem to > have lost sight of the fact a NY Times op-ed piece is written for the > public, rather than a highly specialized audience of academics. IMHO, > Clive's piece is outstanding and he should be lauded for such a thorough, > succinct summary of this important societal issue. > > This forum is maintained by Google groups. Presumably, anything written > will be preserved for many generations to follow. At the moment, this > forum is close to delving into a pit of snarkiness. I urge those who chose > to write to consider the permanency of your remarks before hitting the > "post" button. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
