In contrast I have been involved in IEEE (while also maintaining a serious R&D job outside IEEE ) since ~1960 having run conferences, served on publication committees, founded and served as an assistant editor on 2 publications, and founded and run one IEEE society, served on the IEEE awards committee, founded one major award, etc. so excuse me if I have a hangup concerning the value of professional organizations. Although this geoengineering group activity serves a valuable purpose I firmly believe it would be far more effective if it were a recognized society as I described below. Discussions would include effectiveness of a particular technique but while slams against geoengineering R&D as an activity would still occur they would be laughable. In my opinion individuals or small groups getting funding for experiments would be more successful. I doubt this group with a narrow administrative base although a serious following through e-mail has the credibility of an ongoing society. I think a society would more effectively achieve the admirable objectives set out below. Geoengineering is important, will be critical and deserves a credible support organization to improve the investment prospects.
-gene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Lockley" <[email protected]> To: "Eugene I. Gordon" <[email protected]> Cc: "geoengineering" <[email protected]>, "Oliver Tickell" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 10:00:16 PM Subject: Re: [geo] Money My take on additional funding is that private money could be beneficial in 3 key ways, which the state may be slow or reluctant to fund. 1) A kitty for funding ad hoc costs, such as conference fees, open access charges , etc. This will allow the removal of minor but annoying road blocks. £50k-£500k 2) Extra bodies and more computer time for key labs, to enable them to publish faster £200k-2M (more fundable by state than 1&3) 3) Serious investment in outdoor experiments, and engineering development of deployment systems £500k-100M I have no experience of funding bodies, so I'd welcome comments on the above. A On Jun 6, 2013 9:34 AM, < [email protected] > wrote: A: If there is any money available use it to form a geoengineering society to which members belong and pay dues, receive a publication with peer reviewed papers on geoengineering technology and experiments, and can attend an annual meeting; which society is managed and run for all the members and for the benefit of geoengineering. It should not undermine the science/technology by putting limits on what opinions people can express given they are within proper bounds. Members should be responsible for generating their own proposals and getting grant funding. If money is given to the group and then dispensed it is not likely to get truth in advertising and a small group gets too much power. This can be done for a few million dollars annually. I speak from personal experience having done exactly this years back in what is currently a group that is part of IEEE. -gene From: "Oliver Tickell" < [email protected] > Cc: "geoengineering" < [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:26:18 AM Subject: Re: [geo] Money There has been sod all funding for studies of accelerated rock weathering. Some work has been done, on farmland in Holland for example, but to get this wiely accepted it's important to know how fast ground olivine weathers in different grain sizes, on land, on coast, different climates, effects on rivers draining olivined catchments, effects on marine biota from washout of Fe (if any) / H4SiO4, usefulness as fertiliser to restore Mg where lacking in soils, etc etc. All of which really should be done before any large scale deployment. Oliver. On 05/06/2013 10:58, Andrew Lockley wrote: > > Where do people think extra money is needed to further the study of > geoengineering? > > A > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected] . > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] . To post to this group, send email to [email protected] . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected] . To post to this group, send email to [email protected] . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out . -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
