If the ocean was sterilized, then presumably there wouldn't be any marine 
microbes to consume O2 or generate H2S, CH4, etc.  Good final exam written 
question for Biogeochemistry 476 - what would happen to the earth?

As for McNuggets, some Asia countries get 40% of their protein from the ocean. 
I'd buy stock in KFC.
Greg

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On Jun 8, 2013, at 2:25 AM, Andrew Lockley <[email protected]> wrote:

> For a start, oceans provide 12% of the global food supply. Losing all that 
> could be the tipping point on its own, as a starving society unravels into a 
> vicious circle of conflict, de-industrialisation and de-urbanisation. 
> However, a far more serious concern is the change in the oceans which would 
> lead to them becoming sterilised. Likely, an ocean anoxic event is the 
> precursor event.
> 
> As I understand it, the Great Dying (P-T extinction) provides an analogue. 
> Anoxic oceans were linked with a mass extinction of land biodiversity. I 
> understand that a proposed mechanism for this is the creation of an 
> atmosphere laden with H2S and lacking a functioning ozone layer.
> 
> That's wouldn't be promising for the Chicken McNugget supply.
> 
> A
> On Jun 8, 2013 10:01 AM, "Ken Caldeira" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>> 
>> Please respond to what I said and not what you imagine I said.
>> 
>> The issue has to do with a hypothetical case of sterilization of the oceans. 
>> There was no reference to climate change in my statement.
>> 
>> I challenge anyone to construct a plausible causal chain that would lead 
>> from sterilization of the oceans to downfall of human civilization. 
>> 
>> This is not an expression of my values, this is an expression of my 
>> scientific understanding.
>> 
>> Let all realize that I spend a large chunk of my time trying to investigate 
>> and protect human threats to ocean ecosystems. 
>> 
>> This Scientist Aims High to Save the World's Coral Reefs
>> http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&amp;islist=false&id=176344300&m=178462367
>> (Aired Monday, 4/22 on NPR's All Things Considered; 7 minutes, 49 seconds)
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> On Saturday, June 8, 2013, Andrew Lockley wrote:
>>> In my view, history provides the best guide to the future.
>>> 
>>> Civilisations are not long lived at the best of times, and their messy and 
>>> painful demise is usually accompanied by minor climate disruption.
>>> 
>>> The more complex the civilisation, the less robust it is, as there is a 
>>> greater interconnectedness, and hence a greater ability to transmit shocks 
>>> through the system. To further explain : our ancestors would not have heard 
>>> about an antipodean earthquake, whereas now such a tremor can send markets 
>>> into meltdown in minutes.
>>> 
>>> The idea that despite this much more vulnerable society, the American 
>>> middle class will survive the worst climate change in human history without 
>>> disruption to the Chicken McNugget supply, or to the ability of Hollywood 
>>> to produce Game of Thrones, is completely bizarre.
>>> 
>>> Someone, somewhere will likely be eating a piece of battered chicken meat. 
>>> Someone, somewhere will probably still have a working digital camera and 
>>> some kind of transmission equipment . This does not equate to an 
>>> uninterrupted experience for the US middle class.
>>> 
>>> A
>>> On Jun 8, 2013 8:42 AM, "Emily L-B" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Hi all, I'd propose you put this hypothesis to Dan Laffolley (you can 
>>> google him).
>>> There are so many responses to this I am overwhelmed and can't respond 
>>> coherently. Apart from anything else, my understanding is that decay of 
>>> ocean matter would release noxious gases. So while there may be O2, it may 
>>> be polluted.
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Emily.
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry
>>> From: Ken Caldeira <[email protected]>
>>> Sender: [email protected]
>>> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 15:05:06 +0800
>>> To: [email protected]<[email protected]>
>>> ReplyTo: [email protected]
>>> Cc: [email protected]<[email protected]>
>>> Subject: [geo] The Caldeira "If you Sterilize the Ocean We'd Still Have 
>>> Chicken McNuggets Hypothesis" questioned by Ocean expert
>>> 
>>> David,
>>> 
>>> The residence time of oxygen in the atmosphere + ocean + biosphere with 
>>> respect to the lithosphere is millions of years.  
>>> 
>>> There are about 4 x 10 ** 19 mol of O2 in the atmosphere. The rate of 
>>> removal of this O2 by organic carbon weathering is about 4 x 10 ** 12 mol 
>>> per year.  I am not sure about pyrite oxidation and so on but you can check 
>>> out the attached paper for an entree into the literature.
>>> 
>>> In any case, the 1000 year number you cite is not based on any reliable 
>>> literature value. A better guess might be that we would have breathable 
>>> oxygen on the order of a million years if you eliminated all life on land 
>>> and sea.  If life were eliminated in the oceans only, I don't know of 
>>> anything that would impede our ability to eat Chicken McNuggets and watch 
>>> TV indefinitely.
>>> 
>>> Let me make it clear that I value life in the oceans quite highly and do 
>>> not at all like Chicken McNuggets.  (For some reason, nutters on the web 
>>> think that you can't discuss anything unless you are advocating actually 
>>> doing it.)
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Ken
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, June 8, 2013, David Lewis wrote:
>>> During the Q&A after his 2012 AGU talk entitled "Ocean Acidification:  
>>> Adaptive Challenge or Extinction Threat?", Ken Caldeira said:  "I actually 
>>> think if you sterilize the ocean, yes vulnerable people would be hurt, poor 
>>> people would be hurt, but that we'd still have Chicken McNuggets and TV 
>>> shows and basically we'd be OK "  A video of Ken's entire talk is available 
>>> here.  He lays out the McNugget/Ocean Sterilization hypothesis starting at 
>>> minute 50:20.
>>> 
>>> This seemed to be Ken's answer to the question he posed in his subtitle, 
>>> i.e. is homo sapiens facing a threat of extinction as a result of any 
>>> particular odd behavior the species is engaged in at the moment such as 
>>> carelessly dumping waste gases into the atmosphere which are changing the 
>>> chemistry of the global ocean?  
>>> 
>>> Callum Roberts, a scientist who studies the impact of human activity on 
>>> marine ecosystems, addressed an audience at the University of Sydney this 
>>> year where he discussed the many problems human activity is causing life in 
>>> the oceans.  He interrupted his litany of woe briefly to tell the audience 
>>> of some "good news" he had:  "even if all the ocean's primary productivity 
>>> were shot down tomorrow, it will still be a long time before we suffocate 
>>> because there's plenty of oxygen in the atmosphere, enough for more than 
>>> 1,000 years.  So hopefully we can get our heads aro
>> 
>> 
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>> _______________
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>> 
>> Carnegie Institution for Science 
>> Dept of Global Ecology
>> 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA
>> +1 650 704 7212 [email protected]
>> http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab  @kencaldeira
>> 
>> Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.
>> http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html
>> 
>> Check out the profile of me on NPR's All Things Considered
>> 
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