The Seitz "A War Against Fire" article seems to have been written in ignorance of the paleoclimate data that existed. The Seitz argument, that because it was hard to predict what was going to happen convincingly with the knowledge then available fed into the computer models of the time, we didn't know enough to merely call for slightly reducing the rate at which the concentration of greenhouse gases was increased in the atmosphere, in retrospect, seems ignorant..
I'm curious if Dr. Seitz was aware of the Vostok core data<http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v329/n6138/abs/329408a0.html> which was available at the time he wrote "A War Against Fire". Dr. Digby McLaren, and Dr. Kenneth Hare, two of Canada's distinguished climatologists at the time were saying, in 1988, that roughly 95% of their colleagues would agree with what was in this conference statement, which they signed, i.e. the Changing Atmosphere: Implications for Global Security<http://www.cmos.ca/ChangingAtmosphere1988e.pdf>which was written in Toronto by an invited group of 400 delegates from 40 countries. The intensity of the final plenary session had to be experienced to be believed. Hare wrote later that a "new consciousness was born" at that conference. Many scientists were present. Al Gore was not. Consider the content of that statement's first paragraph. Perhaps, Seitz, who wrote at the time, that "most scientists lack conviction" about whether climate change was worth doing anything about, didn't know any scientists who were actually studying the subject he considered himself so expert about. On Saturday, July 20, 2013 8:14:22 PM UTC-7, Russell Seitz wrote: > > Ken writes; > > > " If a careful "thinking through" could occur, I think it would result in >> greatly increased emphasis on *transforming our energy system into one >> that does not rely on using the atmosphere as a waste dump."* > > > having written this : > >> As surely as C02 can absorb the warming infrared, the strong nuclear >> force is millions of times stronger than the chemical bonds that are burst >> in unleashing heat from coal... >> The sooner the...criminal mischief of Chernobyl is buried under the >> foundations of a reactor both safe and sanely contained, the sooner will >> civilization cease to be obliged to make a chemical waste repository of the >> sky ." > > > >> * >> **--** *A War Against Fire,* **The National Interest, *Summer 1990 > > > I can scarcely disagree. > > On Friday, July 19, 2013 11:22:53 AM UTC-4, Ken Caldeira wrote: >> >> There is no "CIA study". >> >> There is a National Academy study that is funded by NOAA, NASA, the CIA, >> and the National Academy itself. >> >> All of these parties had a hand in developing the charge to the committee >> which is publicly available here: >> http://www8.nationalacademies.org/cp/projectview.aspx?key=49540 >> >> Neither NOAA, NASA, nor the CIA have anything more to do with this study >> other than receiving the final committee report. You too will receive this >> same report. >> >> The panel members are listed here: >> http://www8.nationalacademies.org/cp/CommitteeView.aspx?key=49540 >> >> We are a diverse groups of academics who share a commitment to openness, >> free-exchange of ideas, and transparency. >> >> I am on record decrying many abuses by the US intelligence community >> including what I consider to be criminal drone attacks, secret >> wars, surveillance, etc. If I thought that somehow our report was going to >> help the CIA do something nefarious, you can be sure that I would not be a >> participant. >> >> I want the US gov't to think through the situation that lies before us >> with respect to climate change. If a careful "thinking through" could >> occur, I think it would result in greatly increased emphasis on >> transforming our energy system into one that does not rely on using the >> atmosphere as a waste dump. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Motoko <moto...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> Media coverage for the CIA study. I will keep this up to date for 2 days. >>> >>> http://www.climate-**engineering.eu/single/items/** >>> press-review-cia-is-funding-a-**study-on-ce.html<http://www.climate-engineering.eu/single/items/press-review-cia-is-funding-a-study-on-ce.html> >>> >>> Greetings >>> Nils >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "geoengineering" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to geoengineerin...@**googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to geoengi...@googlegroups.**com. >>> Visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/**group/geoengineering<http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering> >>> . >>> For more options, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>> . >>> >>> >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
