"Social change" means to the advocates enforcing what they see as frugal morality on people, though, of course, never on the advocates. We on the technical fix side tend in the direction of letting people do fairly much whatever they want, Hummers, frequent air flights and all, as long as we can provide the energy and ecological support to let it happen.
I don't have a fix on what the owners of the "fossil fuel infrastructure” want. There are a lot of them and, other than maintaining their income stream, probably a lot of diversity. But the guy who is head of strategic planning at ExxonMobile thinks that electric power cheap enough to make synthetic fuels is a really good idea. ExxonMobile certainly knows how to make synthetic fuel out of any carbon source and lots of energy. The topic isn't exactly on geoengineering, but if it comes about, lots and lots of energy makes geoengineering projects like carbon capture a lot more practical, especially if it is developed to make cheap synthetic transportation fuel. If the energy comes from power satellites, a SRM management project, sunshades in L1 becomes practical. It's kind of strange how little support there is for dollar a gallon synthetic gasoline. On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:54 AM, David Lewis <[email protected]> wrote: > David Keith: " I think one thing that Clive does, and did here, is attempt > to say that people advocating research in this technology like me are doing > it as a way to avoid the social change we need. And to put it simply, it’s > nonsense. So there are a lot of reasons why this might be wrong, why my > advocacy of this might be dangerous, and I lie awake worried about them and > did long before Clive first thought of it.... > > ...I think Clive needs to take seriously the fact that most of the people > working on this actually are very serious about the social changes needed, > and we may still be wrong to advocate it, but Clive needs to take us on on > the reasons we’re wrong, not on a kind of ad hominem attack that we really > just like techno fixes and want to as he said in his book “mollify the > owners of the fossil fuel infrastructure”. That’s nonsense". > > Clive Hamilton: "But I haven’t claimed that at all". > > David Keith: "Uh, well actually, I’m reading a quote". > > This exchange, and more, aired on Public Radio International's "Living on > Earth" show. A transcript and a podcast are available. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "geoengineering" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "geoengineering" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
