Anything that cools the ocean surface is likely to have persistent effects
on the heat and gas content of the ocean for centuries.

To describe MCB as being "forgotten in a few days" is simply
counterfactual.

A
On 4 Feb 2016 15:28, "Stephen Salter" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear Jim
>
> The initial effect of marine cloud brightening is to return sea surface
> temperatures to the values that they were in the good old days.  This is
> done using only energy from the wind and materials already available in
> enormous quantity at sea.
>
> We can choose the places and seasons relative to the phase of monsoons to
> either increase precipitation in dry places or reduce it in wet ones.
>
> We may be able to moderate the bad effects of el Nino.
>
> If we make a mistake we can stop instantly and effects will be forgotten
> in a few days.
>
> The annual cost of correcting the thermal effects since pre-industrial
> times is probably below the annual cost of climate conferences.
>
> We can detect effects of spray from a single spray source by averaging
> satellite photographs and increase spray rates slowly.
>
> Spray at high latitudes around the summer solstice will be particularly
> effective in retaining Arctic ice.
>
> Lots of work has already been done on the hardware design. You were a bit
> rude with your Rube Goldberg comment (quite insulting to engineers) and did
> not reply to my polite email asking you for specific details.
>
> I ask you to imagine that work on marine cloud brightening, which might
> have saved the Arctic ice, is delayed until the loss has passed a tripping
> point.  This messes up the jet stream even more than it is now with longer
> drought in California and worse storms on the east Coast.  It makes the
> present migration problem orders of magnitude worse.
>
> The political trigger for the delay in research was something that you
> wrote and the historians, humanists and policy makers believed.
>
> Stephen
>
> Emeritus Professor of Engineering Design. School of Engineering,
> University of Edinburgh, Mayfield Road, Edinburgh EH9 3DW, Scotland
> [email protected], Tel +44 (0)131 650 5704, Cell 07795 203 195,
> WWW.homepages.ed.ac.uk/shs, YouTube Jamie Taylor Power for Change
> On 04/02/2016 12:33, Jim Fleming wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I wrote quote #2 in 2006 after attending the NASA-Ames meeting, when the
> field of geoengineering was in a distinct "technological fix" mode.  I was
> appalled by the tone of the discourse I had just experienced and wanted to
> alert the community of historians, humanists, and policy makers to the
> outrageous claims for climate control circulating at the time.
>
> I wrote this as a prelude, a "hook" if you will, to a much longer history
> of intervention.  The community interested in these ideas is much larger
> and somewhat more diverse now, and I am encouraged to see more humanists
> making contributions, but still, most every week, I read of rather
> outrageous notions for "controlling" Earth's climate.
>
> Jim Fleming
>
> - - - - -
> James R. Fleming
> Charles A. Dana Professor of Science, Technology, and Society, Colby
> College
> Series editor, Palgrave Studies in the History of Science and Technology
>
> *Inventing Atmospheric Science* (MIT Press, 2016),
> https://mitpress.mit.edu/atmospheric-science
>
> Profile: http://www.colby.edu/directory/profile/jfleming/
>
> "Everything is unprecedented if you don't study history."
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Emily <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Useful looking list of books.
>>
>> 2 things jump out:
>>
>> 1. Lack of mention in the blurbs that IPCC relies upon CDR to have a
>> chance of staying below 2degC (noting we need the limit to be lower still).
>> Framing CDR as a back up plan, seems unjustifiable, as it is critical to
>> the 'plan A' as I read it.
>>
>> 2. The blurb about 'Fixing the Sky' includes this phrase: "...Forget cuts
>> in greenhouse gas emissions, some scientists argue. Instead, bounce
>> sunlight back into space..." I wonder whether scientists really do say that
>> at all. I don't see this as a real reflection of the discorse.
>>
>> Given these two thoughts, and the number of books available - making it
>> tough to read them all, and my feeling that some of the books on offer
>> clearly have an agenda, does anyone have a view which of these books gives
>> a fairly balanced discussion, also accepting the IPCC view of the need for
>> CDR and one which avoids slandering scientists generically?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Emily
>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
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>> *From: * Andrew Lockley <[email protected]>
>> *Sender: * [email protected]
>> *Date: *Wed, 3 Feb 2016 14:29:29 +0000
>> *To: *geoengineering<[email protected]>
>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected]
>> *Subject: *[geo] Bookshelf: Engineering the atmosphere - Yale Climate
>> Connections
>>
>>
>> http://www.yaleclimateconnections.org/2016/02/bookshelf-engineering-the-atmosphere/
>>
>> Bookshelf: Engineering the Atmosphere
>> By Michael Svoboda on Feb 2, 2016
>>
>> This month's compendium of timely books address the multifaceted
>> technological, political, social, economic, and ethical issues surrounding
>> geoengineering, humanity's 'Plan B' (or X?) for combating excessive global
>> warming.
>>
>> Geoengineering. For some it’s a prudent insurance policy to protect
>> against what-if scenarios if societies’ efforts to combat excessive global
>> warming fails to manage what modern societies themselves have created. For
>> many others, it’s a last-resort, pull-out-all-the-stops Hail Mary pass
>> fraught with its own problems and unknowns.
>>
>> This month’s climate bookshelf feature is again compiled by bibliophile
>> Michael Svoboda of George Washington University, a former book-store owner
>> and regular contributor. Descriptions are drawn from the publishers’ copy.
>>
>> How to Cool the Planet: Geoengineering and the Audacious Quest to Fix
>> Earth’s Climate, by Jeff Goodell (Mariner Books, 2010; 276 pages, $14.95
>> paperback)
>>
>> Climate discussions often focus on potential impacts over a long period
>> of time – several decades, a century even. But change could also happen
>> much more suddenly. What if we had a real climate emergency – how could we
>> cool the planet in a hurry? This question has led a group of scientists to
>> pursue extreme solutions: huge contraptions that would suck CO2 from the
>> air, machines that brighten clouds and deflect sunlight away from the
>> earth, even artificial volcanoes that spray heat-reflecting particles into
>> the atmosphere. This is the radical and controversial world of
>> geoengineering. In How to Cool the Planet, Jeff Goodell explores the
>> scientific, political, and moral aspects of geoengineering. . . . There are
>> certainly risks, but Goodell persuades us that geoengineering may be our
>> last best hope, a Plan B for the environment.
>>
>> Hack the Planet: Science’s Best Hope – or Worst Nightmare – for Averting
>> Climate Catastrophe, by Eli Kintisch (Wiley, 2010; 280 pages, $25.95)
>>
>> Scientists are developing geoengineering techniques for worst-case
>> scenarios. . . . [In Hack the Planet, Science magazine reporter] Kintisch
>> outlines four: collapsing ice sheets, megadroughts, a catastrophic methane
>> release, and slowing of the global ocean conveyor belt. As incredible and
>> outlandish as many [geoengineering] plans may seem, could they soon become
>> our only hope for avoiding calamity? Or will the plans of brilliant and
>> well-intentioned scientists cause unforeseeable disasters? And does the
>> advent of geoengineering mean that humanity has failed in its role as
>> steward of the planet – or taken on a new responsibility? Kintisch’s
>> investigation of the [possibilities and dangers of geoengineering] is
>> required reading as the debate over global warming shifts to whether
>> humanity should Hack the Planet.
>>
>> Geo-Engineering Climate Change: Environmental Necessity or Pandora’s
>> Box?, Edited by Brian Launder and J. Michael T. Thompson
>> (Cambridge University Press, 2010; 332 pages, $69.60 (at Amazon))
>>
>> This book is the first to present a detailed and critical appraisal of
>> the geo-scale engineering interventions that have been proposed as
>> potential measures to counter the devastation of run-away global warming.
>> Early chapters set the scene with a discussion of projections of future CO2
>> emissions and techniques for predicting climate tipping points. Subsequent
>> chapters then review proposals to limit CO2 concentrations through improved
>> energy technologies, removal of CO2 from the atmosphere, and stimulated
>> uptake by the oceans. Schemes for solar radiation management involving the
>> reflection of sunlight back into space and using artificially brightened
>> clouds and stratospheric aerosols are also assessed. Pros and cons of the
>> various schemes are thoroughly examined – throwing light on the passionate
>> public debate about their safety.
>>
>> Fixing the Sky: The Checkered History of Weather and Climate Control, by
>> James Rodger Fleming (Columbia University Press, 2010; 344 pages, $24.95
>> paperback)
>>
>> As alarm over global warming spreads, a radical idea is gaining momentum.
>> Forget cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, some scientists argue. Instead,
>> bounce sunlight back into space by pumping reflective nanoparticles into
>> the atmosphere. Launch mirrors into orbit around the Earth. Make clouds
>> thicker and brighter to create a “planetary thermostat.” . . . For more
>> than a century, scientists, soldiers, and charlatans have tried to
>> manipulate weather and climate, and like them, today’s climate engineers
>> wildly exaggerate what is possible. Scarcely considering the political,
>> military, and ethical implications of managing the world’s climate, these
>> individuals hatch schemes with potential consequences that far outweigh
>> anything their predecessors might have faced. [In Fixing the Sky], James
>> Rodger Fleming traces the tragicomic history of the rainmakers, rain
>> fakers, weather warriors, and climate engineers who have been both full of
>> ideas and full of themselves. . . . [He] speaks to anyone who has a stake
>> in sustaining the planet.
>>
>> Climate Change Geoengineering: Philosophical Perspectives, Legal Issues,
>> and Governance Frameworks, Edited by Wil C. Burns and Andrew L. Strauss
>> (Cambridge University Press, 2013; 328 pages, $35.99)
>>
>> The international community is not taking the action necessary to avert
>> dangerous increases in greenhouse gases. Facing a potentially bleak future,
>> the question that confronts humanity is whether the best of bad
>> alternatives may be to counter global warming through human-engineered
>> climate interventions. In this book, eleven prominent authorities on
>> climate change consider the legal, policy, and philosophical issues
>> presented by geoengineering.
>>
>> Earthmasters: The Dawn of the Age of Climate Engineering, by Clive
>> Hamilton (Yale University Press, 2013; 264 pages, $20.00 paperback)
>>
>> International efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions have all failed,
>> and before the end of the century Earth is projected to be warmer than it
>> has been for 15 million years. The question “can the crisis be avoided?”
>> has been superseded by a more frightening one, “what can be done to prevent
>> the devastation of the living world?” . . . [In Earthmasters, Clive
>> Hamilton] lays out the arguments for and against climate engineering, and
>> reveals the extent of vested interests linking researchers, venture
>> capitalists, and corporations. He then examines what it means for human
>> beings to be making plans to control the planet’s atmosphere, probes the
>> uneasiness we feel with the notion of exercising technological mastery over
>> nature, and challenges the ways we think about ourselves and our place in
>> the natural world.
>>
>> A Case for Climate Engineering, by David Keith (Boston Review Books / The
>> MIT Press, 2013; 112 pages, $16.95)
>>
>> A leading scientist long concerned about climate change, Keith . . .
>> argues that, after decades during which very little progress has been made
>> in reducing carbon emissions, we must put [climate engineering] on the
>> table and consider it responsibly. That doesn’t mean we will deploy it, and
>> it doesn’t mean that we can abandon efforts to reduce greenhouse gas
>> emissions. But we must understand fully what research needs to be done and
>> how the technology might be designed and used. [He] provides a clear and
>> accessible overview of what the costs and risks might be, and how climate
>> engineering might fit into a larger program for managing climate change.
>>
>> Engineering the Climate: The Ethics of Solar Radiation Management, Edited
>> by Christopher J. Preston (Lexington Books, 2013; 278 pages, $36.99
>> paperback)
>>
>> Climate engineering (also known as geoengineering) has recently
>> experienced a surge of interest given the growing likelihood that the
>> global community will fail to limit the temperature increases associated
>> with greenhouse gases to safe levels. . . . One particular form, solar
>> radiation management (SRM), is known to be relatively cheap and capable of
>> bringing down global temperatures very rapidly. However, the complexity of
>> the climate system creates considerable uncertainty about the precise
>> nature of SRM’s effects in different regions. The ethical issues raised by
>> the prospect of SRM are both complex and thorny. . . . A sustained and
>> scholarly treatment of [these issues] is necessary before it will be
>> possible to make fair and just decisions about whether (or how) to proceed.
>> This book, including essays by 13 experts in the ethics of geoengineering,
>> [begins that process].
>>
>> Geoengineering of the Climate System, Edited by R. M. Harrison et al
>> (Royal Society of Chemistry, 2014; 270 pp. $108.00 (Amazon))
>>
>> Geoengineering of the Climate System presents an overview of the
>> technologies currently being considered as large scale solutions to climate
>> change, and considers some of the possible benefits and disadvantages of
>> each. [With] invited contributions . . . by many of the leading experts on
>> these technologies, the volume provides a comprehensive overview of both
>> carbon dioxide reduction and solar radiation management methods [and then
>> reviews the] important ethical and governance issues [to which they give
>> rise]. Written with active researchers, postgraduate students and
>> policy-makers in mind, this latest addition to the Issues in Environmental
>> Science & Technology series presents a balanced and informed view of this
>> important field of research and is an essential addition to any
>> environmental science library.
>>
>> Can Science Fix Climate Change: A Case Against Climate Engineering, by
>> Mike Hulme (Wiley/Polity, 2014; 144 pages, $12.95)
>>
>> Climate change seems to be an insurmountable problem. Political solutions
>> have so far had little impact. Some scientists are now advocating the
>> so-called “Plan B”, a more direct way of reducing the rate of future
>> warming by reflecting more sunlight back to space, creating a thermostat in
>> the sky. . . . Drawing upon a distinguished career studying the science,
>> politics and ethics of climate change, Mike Hulme shows why using science
>> to fix the global climate is undesirable, ungovern-able and unattainable.
>> Science and technology should instead serve the more pragmatic goals of
>> increasing societal resilience to weather risks, improving regional air
>> quality and driving forward an energy technology transition. Seeking to
>> reset the planet’s thermostat is not the answer.
>>
>> Climate Intervention: Carbon Dioxide Removal and Reliable Sequestration,
>> by Committee on Geoengineering the Climate (National Academies Press, 2015;
>> 154 pages, $49.95 paper) A PDF for this book can be downloaded for free
>> from this webpage.
>>
>> As one of a two-book report, Climate Intervention: Carbon Dioxide Removal
>> and Reliable Sequestration introduces possible CDR approaches and then
>> discusses them in depth. Land management practices, such as low-till
>> agriculture, reforestation and afforestation, ocean iron fertilization, and
>> land-and-ocean-based accelerated weathering, could amplify the rates of
>> processes that are already occurring as part of the natural carbon cycle.
>> Other CDR approaches, such as bioenergy with carbon capture and
>> sequestration, direct air capture and sequestration, and traditional carbon
>> capture and sequestration, seek to capture CO2 from the atmosphere and
>> dispose of it by pumping it underground at high pressure. This book looks
>> at the pros and cons of these options and estimates possible rates of
>> removal and total amounts that might be removed.
>>
>> Climate Intervention: Reflecting Sunlight to Cool Earth, by Committee on
>> Geoengineering the Climate (National Academies Press, 2015; 154 pages,
>> $49.95 paper) A PDF for this book can be downloaded for free from this
>> webpage.
>>
>> As one of a two-book report, this volume discusses albedo modification –
>> changing the fraction of incoming solar radiation that reaches the surface.
>> This approach would deliberately modify the energy budget of Earth to
>> produce a cooling designed to compensate for some of the effects of warming
>> associated with greenhouse gas increases. The prospect of large-scale
>> albedo modifcation raises political and governance issues at national and
>> global levels, as well as ethical concerns. Climate Intervention:
>> Reflecting Sunlight to Cool Earth discusses [these issues and concerns]. In
>> the spirit of transparency [critical for these discussions, this report]
>> was based on peer-reviewed literature and the judgments of the authoring
>> committee; no new research was done as part of this study and all data and
>> information used are from entirely open sources. . . . [Leaders should
>> understand] the consequences of albedo modification approaches before they
>> face a decision whether or not to use them.
>>
>> Experiment Earth: Responsible Innovation in Geoengineering, by Jack
>> Stilgoe (Routledge/Earthscan, 2015; 222 pages, $145.00)
>>
>> Experiments in geoengineering – intentionally manipulating the Earth’s
>> climate to reduce global warming – have become the focus of a vital debate
>> about responsible science and innovation. Drawing on three years of
>> sociological research working with scientists on one of the world’s first
>> major geoengineering projects, this book examines the politics of
>> experimentation. Geoengineering provides a test case for rethinking the
>> responsibilities of scientists and asking how science can take better care
>> of the futures that it helps bring about. This book gives students,
>> researchers and the general reader interested in the place of science in
>> contemporary society a compelling framework for future thinking and
>> discussion.
>>
>> The Planet Remade: How Geoengineering Could Change the World, by Oliver
>> Morton (Princeton University Press, 2015; 440 pages, $29.95)
>>
>> The Planet Remade explores the history, politics, and cutting-edge
>> science of geoengineering. Morton weighs both the promise and perils of
>> these controversial strategies and puts them in the broadest possible
>> context. The past century’s changes to the planet – to the clouds and the
>> soils, to the winds and the seas, to the great cycles of nitrogen and
>> carbon – have been far more profound than most of us realize. Appreciating
>> those changes clarifies not just the scale of what needs to be done about
>> global warming, but also our relationship to nature. . . . [Morton]
>> addresses the deep fear that comes with seeing humans as a force of nature,
>> and asks what it might mean . . . to try and use that force . . . to meet
>> the challenge of climate change.
>>
>> Systems Thinking for Geoengineering Policy: How to Reduce the Threat of
>> Dangerous Climate Change by Embracing Uncertainty and Failure, by Robert
>> Chris (Routledge / Earthscan, 2015; 212 pages, $145.00)
>>
>> Systems Thinking for Geoengineering Policy is the first book to [discuss]
>> geoengineering in terms of complex adaptive systems theory and to argue for
>> the theoretical imperative of adaptive management . . . for confronting the
>> inescapable uncertainty and surprise that characterize potential climate
>> futures. The book illustrates how a shift from the conventional
>> Enlightenment paradigm of linear reductionist thinking, in favor of systems
>> thinking, would promote robust policies [for] the widest range of plausible
>> futures . . . and could also unlock the policy paralysis caused by making
>> [agreement on] long term predictions a prior condition for policy
>> formulation. It also offers some systems-driven reflections on a global
>> governance network for geoengineering.
>>
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