Dear John, all

As a coordinating lead author of IPCC AR5 WG1 (and someone how has done work on 
these topics) I’m surprised to read such comments.

> Blunder 1.  IPCC has ignored the increasing loss of Arctic albedo, which is 
> already contributing the equivalent of 30 ppm CO2 to the radiative budget, 
> i.e. a quarter of the forcing from CO2.  […] The first blunder is symptomatic 
> of IPCC's treatment of the Arctic sea ice, where they refuse to accept the 
> observations that it is in a death spiral, preferring to rely on models of 
> proven inadequacy which predict that the sea ice will last for decades.  You 
> can read all about it in Peter Wadhams' new book "A Fairwell to Ice".

The change in albedo is part of every climate model as snow cover and sea ice 
change. Indeed some many models show smaller Arctic sea ice decline than 
observed. But the natural variability is very large (e.g. Kay 2011, Swart 2015, 
Screen 2013, 2016). There is no reason why short term trends could simply be 
extrapolated, and the predictions by Peter Wadhams of sea ice disappearing by 
today have not happened so far
(https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/17/arctic-collapse-sea-ice, 
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/arctic-could-become-ice-free-for-first-time-in-more-than-100000-years-claims-leading-scientist-a7065781.html).
 Maybe the models are missing something, but it’s just as plausible (and in 
most scientist’s view more likely) that the models are largely consistent with 
observations within natural variability.
Many studies have used observations to recalibrate and weight models, and even 
IPCC has explicitly made projections for Arctic sea ice based on those models 
that best reproduce various aspects of sea ice (section 12.4.6.1). All of these 
studies indicate that using observations point to a somewhat steeper decline of 
Arctic sea ice (Boe 2009, Massonnet 2012, Mahlstein 2012, Wang 2013, Notz 
2016), but not a “death spiral”.
I’m not downplaying the strong changes in the Arctic, but the science suggests 
a fairly linear (and reversible) relationship between Arctic sea ice and 
temperature with large variability superimposed. In my view they do not support 
a “death spiral”.

>Blunder 2. IPCC has ignored the warming effect of accumulated CO2.  They say 
>that global temperature rise will be halted when net CO2 emissions have fallen 
>to zero, ignoring the effect of accumulated CO2 and other forcing agents in 
>the atmosphere.[…] The second blunder can be illustrated by AR5 WG1 figure 
>6-40 attached and available here [1].  The red curves are supposed to show the 
>effect if net emissions were to suddenly fall to zero at 2050, when CO2 has 
>reached about 500 ppm.  The temperature (red curve in bottom diagram) should 
>continue to rise as a result of the forcing from 500 ppm CO2; but instead the 
>temperature flattens off as if the accumulated CO2 ceased to have a warming 
>effect!
Of course CO2 continues to have an effect, but as emissions are set to zero the 
atmospheric concentration and therefore forcing decrease.

>It is absolutely astonishing and frightening that such a fundamental mistake 
>can be made.
Where is the evidence for a fundamental mistake?

>If we want to halt global warming at any particular temperature, then we need 
>to bring net forcing down to zero by the time that temperature has been 
>reached.
No, that is simply wrong. The forcing has to decrease to compensate the slowly 
decreasing ocean heat uptake, but it does not have to be zero at any time to 
limit warming, not even in equilibrium. The global energy balance is 
Q=F-lambda*T where Q is heat uptake, F is forcing, lambda is the inverse of 
climate sensitivity and T is warming (see Knutti and Hegerl 2008 for example). 
If today F~=2.3 Wm-2 and Q~=0.9 Wm-2 and we want to keep T constant and Q=0 
towards equilibrium then F needs to decrease to about 2.3-0.9=1.4 Wm-2 on the 
timescale on which the ocean warms (decades to centuries), but not zero. 
Climate is complex, but conservation of energy isn’t.

IPCC WG1 chapter 12 has an long discussion of the difference concepts of 
commitment warming (section 12.5.2) with plenty of references from different 
models going back many decades. There is even an FAQ 12.3 discussing that, and 
it also does discuss non-CO2 forcings. There are models which show some warming 
after zero CO2 emissions, and others that show some cooling, but in general 
these concepts of commitment warming are well understood. IPCC isn’t perfect, 
but it’s probably the best reviewed document on climate, with hundreds of 
scientist contributing. It seems rather unlikely that it would contain 
“fundamental mistakes”, and in my view the claims you made here have no 
scientific basis.

Best regards,

Reto Knutti, ETH Zurich
http://www.iac.ethz.ch/people/knuttir

Swart, Neil C., John C. Fyfe, Ed Hawkins, Jennifer E. Kay, and Alexandra Jahn. 
2015. “Influence of Internal Variability on Arctic Sea-Ice Trends.” Nature 
Climate Change 5 (2). Nature Publishing Group: 86–89. doi:10.1038/nclimate2483.
Kay, Jennifer E., Marika M. Holland, and Alexandra Jahn. 2011. “Inter-Annual to 
Multi-Decadal Arctic Sea Ice Extent Trends in a Warming World.” Geophysical 
Research Letters 38 (15): 2–7. doi:10.1029/2011GL048008.
Screen, James a., Clara Deser, Ian Simmonds, and Robert Tomas. 2013. 
“Atmospheric Impacts of Arctic Sea-Ice Loss, 1979–2009: Separating Forced 
Change from Atmospheric Internal Variability.” Climate Dynamics 43 (1–2): 
333–44. doi:10.1007/s00382-013-1830-9.
Screen, James A., and Jennifer A. Francis. 2016. “Contribution of Sea-Ice Loss 
to Arctic Amplification Is Regulated by Pacific Ocean Decadal Variability.” 
Nature Climate Change 6 (9): 856–60. doi:10.1038/nclimate3011.
Boé, Julien, Alex Hall, and Xin Qu. 2009. “September Sea-Ice Cover in the 
Arctic Ocean Projected to Vanish by 2100.” Nature Geoscience 2 (5). Nature 
Publishing Group: 341–43. doi:10.1038/ngeo467.
Mahlstein, Irina, and Reto Knutti. 2012. “September Arctic Sea Ice Predicted to 
Disappear near 2°C Global Warming above Present.” Journal of Geophysical 
Research 117 (D6): 1–11. doi:10.1029/2011JD016709.
Notz, Dirk, and Julienne Stroeve. 2016. “Observed Arctic Sea-Ice Loss Directly 
Follows Anthropogenic CO2 Emission.” Science, November, 1–9. 
doi:10.1126/science.aag2345.
Overland, James E., and Muyin Wang. 2013. “When Will the Summer Arctic Be 
Nearly Sea Ice Free?” Geophysical Research Letters 40 (10): 2097–2101. 
doi:10.1002/grl.50316.
Massonnet, F., T. Fichefet, H. Goosse, C. M. Bitz, G. Philippon-Berthier, M. M. 
Holland, and P.-Y. Barriat. 2012. “Constraining Projections of Summer Arctic 
Sea Ice.” The Cryosphere 6 (6): 1383–94. doi:10.5194/tc-6-1383-2012.
Knutti, Reto, and Gabriele C. Hegerl. 2008. “The Equilibrium Sensitivity of the 
Earth’s Temperature to Radiation Changes.” Nature Geoscience 1 (11): 735–43. 
doi:10.1038/ngeo337.



From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] 
On Behalf Of John Nissen
Sent: Montag, 14. November 2016 16:06
To: David Lewis <[email protected]>
Cc: geoengineering <[email protected]>; Kevin Anderson 
<[email protected]>; [email protected]; Greg Rau 
<[email protected]>; Peter Wadhams <[email protected]>; Kevin Lister 
<[email protected]>; Sev Clarke <[email protected]>; Alan Gadian 
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [geo] Negative Emissions: Arrows in the Quiver, Life Preserver, 
and/or Moral Hazard?


Dear David,
I think Klaus et al have the voice of realism.  Global warming is far more 
serious than we have been led to believe, and without several rapid 
interventions, we are heading for many degrees of global warming this century.

IPCC are guilty of two colossal blunders in their projections of global 
warming.  The effect has been to lull the international community into a false 
sense of security.  Rapid interventions are now required to avoid a lethal 
combination of climate change, ocean acidification and rising sea levels.  Here 
are the facts:

Blunder 1.  IPCC has ignored the increasing loss of Arctic albedo, which is 
already contributing the equivalent of 30 ppm CO2 to the radiative budget, i.e. 
a quarter of the forcing from CO2.
Blunder 2. IPCC has ignored the warming effect of accumulated CO2.  They say 
that global temperature rise will be halted when net CO2 emissions have fallen 
to zero, ignoring the effect of accumulated CO2 and other forcing agents in the 
atmosphere.
The first blunder is symptomatic of IPCC's treatment of the Arctic sea ice, 
where they refuse to accept the observations that it is in a death spiral, 
preferring to rely on models of proven inadequacy which predict that the sea 
ice will last for decades.  You can read all about it in Peter Wadhams' new 
book "A Fairwell to Ice".

The second blunder can be illustrated by AR5 WG1 figure 6-40 attached and 
available here [1].  The red curves are supposed to show the effect if net 
emissions were to suddenly fall to zero at 2050, when CO2 has reached about 500 
ppm.  The temperature (red curve in bottom diagram) should continue to rise as 
a result of the forcing from 500 ppm CO2; but instead the temperature flattens 
off as if the accumulated CO2 ceased to have a warming effect!  It is 
absolutely astonishing and frightening that such a fundamental mistake can be 
made.

If we want to halt global warming at any particular temperature, then we need 
to bring net forcing down to zero by the time that temperature has been 
reached.  This involves bringing all GHGs down to their pre-industrial level 
and restoring Arctic albedo, unless their residual heating (positive forcing) 
is counteracted by an equal amount of cooling (negative forcing), e.g. from 
aerosols.

CDR has to suck CO2 out of the atmosphere faster than it is being emitted into 
the atmosphere, in order to bring the level down from over 400 ppm to 
pre-industrial 280 ppm.
Methane emissions have to be suppressed (including fugitive emissions from 
coal, oil and gas extraction) in order to bring the level down from 1850 ppb to 
pre-industrial 750 ppb.

The retreat of sea ice has to be halted and then Arctic albedo has to be 
restored to its level of at least thirty years ago.

Thus our best chance to halt global warming is through CO2 emissions reduction 
(better than already committed) combined with several immediate and aggressive 
interventions: CDR, methane emissions reduction, and rapid cooling of the 
Arctic.

As Klaus Lackner et al say in their comment, CDR is indeed like throwing a 
lifebelt to a drowning person.  We need to start CDR as quickly as we can, to 
be as certain as we can be to save the planet.
In parallel we must suppress methane and cool the Arctic before we lose any 
more albedo from snow and sea ice retreat.

The ultimate objective must be to restore the Earth System to Holocene 
conditions of climate stability, ocean alkalinity and sea level constancy.

Cheers, John

[1] 
http://www.ipcc.ch/report/graphics/images/Assessment%20Reports/AR5%20-%20WG1/Chapter%2006/thumbnail/Fig6-40.jpg

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 4:55 PM, David Lewis 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Anderson could maintain his stance as a voice for realism while adding his 
voice to those calling for research into all forms of geoengineering.  He could 
compare the cost of reducing emissions to the current cost of removing them 
from the atmosphere, call for a vigorous program of further research, then 
state that it is still his opinion that civilization needs to urgently and 
fundamentally transform its social, economic, and political relations if it 
wants to continue to exist.


Moral: Do not ignore or downplay potentially useful actions, especially if you 
have the time and resources to carefully evaluate them.



________________________________
From: Greg Rau <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
To: Geoengineering 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2016 4:50 PM
Subject: [geo] Negative Emissions: Arrows in the Quiver, Life Preserver, and/or 
Moral Hazard?



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